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Old 04-08-2012, 01:35 AM   #271 (permalink)
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...I have never said we lack the attacking talent to beat Queensland. If you're going to have an argument don't make shit up son.

You are so concerned with stats...
While my offerings are factual, your ammunition is nothing more than capricious opinion. I’m not particularly concerned about whether or not you think Watmough’s a better defender than Harrison, I’m concerned with the numbers. As for you not being of the opinion that Qld are by far the superior attacking team, it may have been SXe, but you’ve got rocks in your head if you think they aren’t.
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Old 04-08-2012, 04:50 AM   #272 (permalink)
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I don't and have never denied that their backs are far better attackers than ours. Likewise i never claimed that Watmough is a better defender. There is more to the game than defense you moron, anyone who would rather have Harrison in their side over Watmough either has a good backline or other forwards who can spark something. Watmough is a far better player, far better and harder working in attack and makes more metres, line breaks, hit ups, tries and tackle busts than Harrison.
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Weíve had guys like Myles, Harrison and Johnson, hardly attack-oriented. But, hereís the thing, once again, you completely underrate these players. Believe it or not, Bellamy once stated that DJ was crucial to the Stormís structure in attack. Harrison was a five-eighth with us, and has combined brilliantly with Inglis in Origin. And thereís nothing wrong with Myles as a two-way player. He lifts in Origin. BTW I donít give a fuck if you have a spine of Slater, Lockyer, Thurston and Smith, if the forwards arenít aiming up, itís over. This isnít club footy. Weak players are exposed.

NSW continue to pick attacking forwards, completely ignoring the fact that these guys are defensive liabilities. If you have Gallen, a guy who can take it up twice every set of six, the smart thing would be to balance the pack out with two defensive back rowers. You donít need every single back rower whoís ever attacked a line. This is NSWís downfall.
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While my offerings are factual, your ammunition is nothing more than capricious opinion. Iím not particularly concerned about whether or not you think Watmoughís a better defender than Harrison, Iím concerned with the numbers. As for you not being of the opinion that Qld are by far the superior attacking team, it may have been SXe, but youíve got rocks in your head if you think they arenít.
If Harrison is so fantastic, where are his premiership rings? Oh, what's that, he's only recognised when he's boosted by being carried by Smith, Cronk, Slater & Thaiday? Yeah.

When did I ever state that NSW are a superior attacking team? Any team that possesses Smith, Slater, Thurston, Inglis & Hodges is going to be a non-stop attacking threat.

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Weíve had guys like Myles, Harrison and Johnson, hardly attack-oriented. But, hereís the thing, once again, you completely underrate these players. Believe it or not, Bellamy once stated that DJ was crucial to the Stormís structure in attack. Harrison was a five-eighth with us, and has combined brilliantly with Inglis in Origin. And thereís nothing wrong with Myles as a two-way player. He lifts in Origin. BTW I donít give a fuck if you have a spine of Slater, Lockyer, Thurston and Smith, if the forwards arenít aiming up, itís over. This isnít club footy. Weak players are exposed.

NSW continue to pick attacking forwards, completely ignoring the fact that these guys are defensive liabilities. If you have Gallen, a guy who can take it up twice every set of six, the smart thing would be to balance the pack out with two defensive back rowers. You donít need every single back rower whoís ever attacked a line. This is NSWís downfall.
They are underrated by us because they are complete and utter shit (Myles & Harrison that is). Myles & Harrison have always been useless for their clubs, and that's being exposed week in, week out with the inspid efforts from the Gold Coast. If the forward pack had any muscle to it, then Prince would have more opportunities to attack and score points. Also, where are most points leaked against the Titans? Through the middle, where your glamour boys Harrison & Myles defend.

I agree partially on this point, as I would much rather have Nathan Hindmarsh in the backrow as opposed to those cock munchers from the Dragons, Scott & Creagh. However, Watmough is far from a defensive liability, and is an attacking weapon that can be utilised within the danger zone, same with Tony Williams, and same with Glenn Stewart.

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Anyway, moving away from stats and defence man, fuck me Melbourne are looking phenomenal this year. Cowboys struck with all their might and still got done by 24. Going to take a very, very good team to defeat the Storm this season.
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If Harrison is so fantastic, where are his premiership rings? Oh, what's that, he's only recognised when he's boosted by being carried by Smith, Cronk, Slater & Thaiday? Yeah.
Thaiday lol. Cronk, off the bench? Yeah, these guys made 50 tackles for him? Good one. Premiership? Year 2000, baby.


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When did I ever state that NSW are a superior attacking team?
No, you stated QLD were, that's why your emphasis should be on solid defenders.


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They are underrated by us because they are complete and utter shit (Myles & Harrison that is). Myles & Harrison have always been useless for their clubs, and that's being exposed week in, week out with the inspid efforts from the Gold Coast. If the forward pack had any muscle to it, then Prince would have more opportunities to attack and score points. Also, where are most points leaked against the Titans? Through the middle, where your glamour boys Harrison & Myles defend.
As I've said, they do a lot of coasting. Come Origin, we'll see whether it's the same story. Actually, we've seen it how many years now? In SOO, Harrison and Myles have shat over just about every NSW forward. Theyíre consistent Origin players, half of your mob donít even belong in that arena.

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I agree partially on this point, as I would much rather have Nathan Hindmarsh in the backrow as opposed to those cock munchers from the Dragons, Scott & Creagh. However, Watmough is far from a defensive liability, and is an attacking weapon that can be utilised within the danger zone, same with Tony Williams, and same with Glenn Stewart.
Maybe you missed the stats provided for Watmough. He's an ass of a defender. Absolute garbage. If you can provide evidence to the contrary, please do so. I doubt heís ever had an under 3 missed tackles per game season... and 3 is being conservative. Also, By the time you even get to the danger zone, we'll have run in two tries.

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Anyway, moving away from stats and defence man, fuck me Melbourne are looking phenomenal this year. Cowboys struck with all their might and still got done by 24. Going to take a very, very good team to defeat the Storm this season.
Iíll call it now, they wonít win the comp.
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Went to see saints and wigan today at the new stadium, saints were shite and gareth hock is a fucking cunt.
Hock is a beast, wouldn't be surprised to see him come and make an impact in the NRL, he's that type of player. Great win for the cherry and whites.
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Old 04-08-2012, 10:39 AM   #277 (permalink)
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Weíve had guys like Myles, Harrison and Johnson, hardly attack-oriented.
Which is counterbalanced by having such an epic backline + hooker. If NSW had the backline to compete then by all means load up our forwards with defenders. Fensom, Gallen, Hindmarsh as a backrow for example. However we don't have the halves to compete like that. Soward as a 5/8th is alright in club football but he is a creative dead zone. Couldn't create a thing.

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But, hereís the thing, once again, you completely underrate these players. Believe it or not, Bellamy once stated that DJ was crucial to the Stormís structure in attack. Harrison was a five-eighth with us, and has combined brilliantly with Inglis in Origin. And thereís nothing wrong with Myles as a two-way player. He lifts in Origin. BTW I donít give a fuck if you have a spine of Slater, Lockyer, Thurston and Smith, if the forwards arenít aiming up, itís over. This isnít club footy. Weak players are exposed.
Thiaday and Petero make far more metres in Origin games than Myles and Harrison. They may be good defenders but they offer no threat with the ball in their hands. Johnson is a workhorse, no one is underrating him. Myles on the other hand is lazy. Lockyer, Slater, Thurston and Smith all will lift a side if the forwards aren't making metres. They will step in and guide the team out.

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NSW continue to pick attacking forwards, completely ignoring the fact that these guys are defensive liabilities. If you have Gallen, a guy who can take it up twice every set of six, the smart thing would be to balance the pack out with two defensive back rowers. You donít need every single back rower whoís ever attacked a line. This is NSWís downfall.
Not saying we pick a good side, or a balanced side. I'm just saying i disagree with you panning every single player who's strength is their attack rather than their defense.
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30-0, shutout on Penrith. Fucking get in lad. Brilliant performance by DCE, man of the match by a long long way. Really stepped it up without Stewart and Foran being there. Buhrer was amazing as well.

side note, Stewart was out partying at the shark bar saturday night yet gets ruled out with injury tonight. quality player but he's a fucking douchebag.
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Probably pulled a groin muscle, if you know what I mean.

I'm hoping Penrith maintain that shit form for Sunday, and we might have a look in at beating them. Going to be a dreadful game though given how shit both teams are playing this season.
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