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Turned on Ireland vs Germany. Lol'd hard.

That's international football for you. Garbage.
It's international qualifying, dumbass, not an elite international tournament. You won't see elite play until the knockout stages of the actual World Cup. I know in your head you've probably managed to convince yourself that the Champions League is the measure of a player's legacy but I'm afraid to tell you that it's not. Until Messi puts in a standout performance at a world cup he'll always be in Diego's shadow.

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I know they're seeded but until last night we'd only beaten Moldova & San Marino. We couldn't beat Ukraine home or away, Montenegro in three previous games against them or win in Poland. We'd struggle against the majority of the teams in the play offs. Iceland/Slovenia would be okay but the others, all tough. We can't hide away from the fact it was a weak Montenegro team last night too.
None of that is pretty, for sho'.

On the flip side, England have lost just once in qualifying since 2008 and that was a dead rubber game against Ukraine played mostly with 10-men.

Feels strange for me to be defending England after being down on them for years, but they're not that bad. Lightyears away from the 6/7 elite teams but more than capable of holding their own against everybody else.

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Actually no we'd knock Sweden out of a seed so we could get them. Ha.
Ah yeah, good spot. Playoffs look a little bit more daunting with Sweden in there, though England usually handle them in competitive games. Still, all the more reason not to fuck about with Poland.

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It's international qualifying, dumbass, not an elite international tournament. You won't see elite play until the knockout stages of the actual World Cup. I know in your head you've probably managed to convince yourself that the Champions League is the measure of a player's legacy but I'm afraid to tell you that it's not. Until Messi puts in a standout performance at a world cup he'll always be in Diego's shadow.
Wow. How on earth did we get there from Germany vs Ireland?


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everyone can see the problems with england and their youth set up. the easy and weak solution is to blame the influx of foreigners, and force clubs to play english players. clowns. maybe they should be seeking out some coaches like cruyff, van gaal, heynckes, those types around the fa, not spuds like danny mills.

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getting rid of foreigners will not improve quality of english players

all it will do is make the premier league worse, which in turn will limit the european places and level of players england can attract

thus making english football worse

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It's international qualifying, dumbass, not an elite international tournament. You won't see elite play until the knockout stages of the actual World Cup. I know in your head you've probably managed to convince yourself that the Champions League is the measure of a player's legacy but I'm afraid to tell you that it's not. Until Messi puts in a standout performance at a world cup he'll always be in Diego's shadow.
Well put.
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honestly i dont think its that complicated with england, its actually rather simple:

the footballers england produces just arent very good

problem is with the clubs and academies which have failed to produce anything remarkable. management is retarded so that doesnt help, but del bosque makes a fuckton of questionable decisions too. only reason he can get away with it is because the talent in his squad are so fucking good, they will win no matter what

you look at england's team sheet, its shit. its absolutely shit. where the fuck is the world class talent? im not defending roy, his decisions arent that bright, but honestly managing an international team isnt rocket science. you just select players and tell them to win. and england have a pretty shitty pool to select from.

until the day jack wilshere is told to fuck off and england actually start developing REAL talent in proper academies that emphasise technical football like germany, spain or belgium, its just fucking waste of time. theyre just hamsters spinning wheels
I don't think it's as simple as we don't have any good players or good young players coming through. We have good-very good players but not world class players admittedly. I don't think any England fan is delusional enough to go around saying we can win the World Cup and we have world class players but we have better talent than our results say. Rooney/Gerrard/Lampard/Cole are all great players along with players who can play great from time to time like Walcott/Sturridge/Wilshere and then a good crop coming up like Jones/Smalling/Townsend/Zaha/Welbeck/Barkley. We have enough players to choose from to be beating the Polands/Ukraines/Montenegro's of the world quite easily. Yes this generation is weaker than previous generations and we should be producing better with the resources we have but I don't think it's as simple as you put it. There's good players but we don't use them or develop them right. The way we think football should be played is still stuck in a previous era and for some reason we refuse to move on. I'm amazed we've even progressed to 4-2-3-1 now. For some reason we seem to still think that long balls will beat teams like Spain and that they we can win games with 30% possession and allow opponents like Ozil, Pirlo, Iniesta to pass the ball around us. We messed up big time with our managerial choices. I get why we wanted English after Cappello but there wasn't a good English pick and Hodgson is so far from the right guy it's untrue. We needed foreign but just not another Cappello. A Pep for example. Although obviously not him but that type of thinking to get us playing the modern way to keep up with all these countries who are just leapfrogging us now with much lesser resources. There's enough quality to select from to be a top 10 international side and be a serious contender for World Cup Quarters with the right person(s) in charge. Then there's also the selection process regardless of who's in charge. Mentioned that yesterday with the U21's. We've got it all wrong at every single level and the results show that. What does it say when IRAQ are progressing further than us in the U20 World Cup? We should be bringing players through together as a unit and giving them experience at tournaments and chances to taste success at international level. Does anyone have any idea what our best XI is after a full campaign? Don't think Roy does either. Give or take a player perhaps but we have no idea what our best team is and we don't get the same XI playing together to form understandings. Instead we rotate all the time. Is there a reason why we've only played one friendly in the South American heat too? You know with a World Cup going on there next year in a very un-english climate.

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Houllier?

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Who was the last out and out world class quality player England produced? Wayne? Guess most have Jack as the next potential one but only can think of Wayne in the last day past decade



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Who was the last out and out world class quality player England produced? Wayne? Guess most have Jack as the next potential one but only can think of Wayne in the last day past decade
Rooney is the only world class player they've produced for a good many years if you ask me. Wilshere is not close to being a world class player, don't know how anyone can think he's up there with the Modric and Ozils of the game. His footballing brain is just not at that level.

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