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Re: Friendlies & Euro 2012 Qualifiers Discussion Thread

I hate Terry and Lampard.

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Re: Friendlies & Euro 2012 Qualifiers Discussion Thread

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Of course it would make a difference. If you take Lampard out of the team, you instantly lose plenty of goals and assits. You lose that important connection he has with Drogba. You lose a midfielder who is willing to go back and help defend.

As I said, I don't find Terry world class, but he is a fantastic leader. When he is not playing, our defensive line is not as settled as it is when he is around.

Have you been to Stamford Bridge to watch Lampard play? No? Thought so. You watch highlights on Match of the Day that last a whole 7 minutes and you base his 90 minute game on that.

Lampard is always looking for the final pass now a days. And the reason he is able to score so many goals is to do with his movement. Most of his goals last season came from insdie the box.

I honestly don't know why I am bothering replying to you, as your post clearly shows you know nothing about either player.

It would be easier if you just came out with, "I hate Tery and Lampard". At least you'd be honest to yourself.
Word of advice, don't just make assumptions about what people do and don't know. I watch a lot of football and whilst John Terry may be a good leader he is also slow as christmas and is simply not fast or clever enough to be playing international level football.

I know a lot about how football works in this country because let me tell you a story. I once kicked a ball in the air a mile from the school changing rooms to the school fields alongside my pe teacher who simply replied "Shame that wouldn't be much use in a real game". This is seriously what he said, he didn't comment on my skill or how this could be incoporated creatively into a game he just immediately forgot about what he had just seen. In this country we take pride in these apparent "leaders of men" from a young age, these brash, cocky, arrogant big players who take charge on the field but who don't necesarrily have the skill to back it up with - Terry is one of those players. Had he been brought up in a country that took pride in skill as opposed to arrogance then he would be lucky to be playing second division football. Watching him trying to mark any fast striker is cringeworthy and not only that but his bullying attitude puts a downer on the team's morale.

So it's not as simple as hating Terry, I have actually made some very good points about why he isn't fit to play for England. You making assumptions that I have made my judgements on watching seven minutes of highlights is embarrasing because your stupid point about being "leader of men" is the kind of crap that the press come out with week in week out to try and keep that bum in national colours.

Regardless, however I love your avatar. I grew up watching Italian Football (and again I don't mean seven minute highlight packages) and Batigoal was one of my heroes.
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Word of advice, don't just make assumptions about what people do and don't know. I watch a lot of football and whilst John Terry may be a good leader he is also slow as christmas and is simply not fast or clever enough to be playing international level football.

I know a lot about how football works in this country because let me tell you a story. I once kicked a ball in the air a mile from the school changing rooms to the school fields alongside my pe teacher who simply replied "Shame that wouldn't be much use in a real game". This is seriously what he said, he didn't comment on my skill or how this could be incoporated creatively into a game he just immediately forgot about what he had just seen. In this country we take pride in these apparent "leaders of men" from a young age, these brash, cocky, arrogant big players who take charge on the field but who don't necesarrily have the skill to back it up with - Terry is one of those players. Had he been brought up in a country that took pride in skill as opposed to arrogance then he would be lucky to be playing second division football. Watching him trying to mark any fast striker is cringeworthy and not only that but his bullying attitude puts a downer on the team's morale.

So it's not as simple as hating Terry, I have actually made some very good points about why he isn't fit to play for England. You making assumptions that I have made my judgements on watching seven minutes of highlights is embarrasing because your stupid point about being "leader of men" is the kind of crap that the press come out with week in week out to try and keep that bum in national colours.

Regardless, however I love your avatar. I grew up watching Italian Football (and again I don't mean seven minute highlight packages) and Batigoal was one of my heroes.
You can't blame me for making assumuptions with your comments on Lampard. They are not close to the truth. The thing what got to me was the "never passes" comment. How can he be the top assister of 2009-10 (13 assists) if he does not pass

I agree with you about the teaching of football in this country. Instead of teaching skill and guile, they rather you put a foot in and win anyhow. Yes, Terry is a prick. He is far from a great person. But when I say he is a leader of men, I'm not saying that he tries to influence the team to kick down opponents etc. What I'm referring to is his organisation of the defence. You asked me, if you take out Terry, will it matter. Well I've seen what a Chelsea team is like without Terry. And defending set pieces are a problem without him.

Plus, his passing is very underrated. Take example his assist to Cole last season vs Sunderland:


About 43 seconds in.

If he was just your stereotypical English player, he wouldn't even be attempting to make a pass of that quality. He's also plays cross the pitch passes to our guy on the right, which lands directly at them.

I don't agree that he is too slow for international football. He's only looked terrible in one game in his whole England career and that was against the Germans in the summer. Look at him in the Champions League; he's won the best defender award three times. He's a very good reader of the game. I'm sorry, but Chelsea can not always be on the latter stages of tournaments with just an average player. Riccy and Alex are beasts, but they're not John Cena.

It's easy to forget all of this, because as said, he is not the most liked guy (and it is fair), but he is not your typical English "hard man". He's just marketed that way and he does play up to it as well.

Yes, Batigol was immense. They don't make strikers like that anymore. Infact, they don't make players like the stars of the 90's anymore.
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Re: Friendlies & Euro 2012 Qualifiers Discussion Thread

Didn't Terry win the UEFA Defender of the Year in 08? Total joke.

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Re: Friendlies & Euro 2012 Qualifiers Discussion Thread

My views on Terry have nothing to do with him as a person - I don't particularly like Ronaldo either but I have no problems calling him one of the best players in the world.

Maybe I'm wrong about Lampard but definitely not Terry. You can not be a slow defender at international level. When they played Inter last year Samuel Eto ran him ragged and everytime I see Terry against a fast attacker (Charity Shield being another recent example) he is made to look very average indeed. Quite simply he is a very brave and courageous player but at the top level it requires more than just that to warrant being at a club like Chelsea. Chelsea defenders are constantly having to cover his tracks because he has no chance defending against anyone reasonably quick.

Regardless of how good these two men are however let's start a different debate - england's style of play against Bulgaria looked dazzling and given that the players gelled so well together = is there really a need to change things? (barring the obvious injury questions) Barry and Gerrard worked well together and the guy who replaced Terry was a mile more competetent.
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Re: Friendlies & Euro 2012 Qualifiers Discussion Thread

Sweden - San Marino : 2-0 after 14 minutes. Should have been 5-0 with a bit of luck.

1-0 Ibrahimovic
2-0 Own Goal


EDIT: Should have been 6-0 now...Damn it!
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Re: Friendlies & Euro 2012 Qualifiers Discussion Thread

Bit of a challenge for England tonight. It's pissing it down in Switzerland - should suit us fine

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Re: Friendlies & Euro 2012 Qualifiers Discussion Thread

Will be suprised if Scotland do not destroy Liechenstein tonight. Expecting France to lose to Bosnia also.
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Re: Friendlies & Euro 2012 Qualifiers Discussion Thread

Sweden - San Marino : 3-0 after the first half

3-0 Wernbloom

And Sweden with one player less because of a direct red card to Mellberg.
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Re: Friendlies & Euro 2012 Qualifiers Discussion Thread

wats walcott's injury?


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