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Old 11-18-2012, 05:41 AM   #2881 (permalink)
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Joel, just admit you were wrong about Ibra. You want to talk about performances in big games. Last season, Milan v Arsenal, Ibrah was the man of the match and had a 9/10 performance, van Persie meanwhile 5/10. Everyone here knows how much I love van Persie, I think he's the best striker in the Premier League (equal with Aguero I'd say), but at the end of the day, he's never won a league title in his career. Ibra on the other hand has won NINE league titles in his career. Also you go on about Ibrah's lack of goals in CL knock-out rounds, only scoring three goals in them. Falcao has only ever scored three goals in the CL overall. So you're contradicting yourself again.
Well done, Ibra. One big match to his name against a team that is hardly a powerful force anymore. Congrats. Where was he in the next round vs Barca? Where was he in the league games vs Juve? Exlain those ones to me, Bananas?

Falcao's 1:2 CL ratio is pretty good for now. He'll build on that when he joins Chelsea, City (well maybe not them, CL makes them shit their pants) or Real Madrid. Falcao is a big game player. He's scored winners in the last two Europa League finals. He scores against Barca and Madrid. He's carrying Colombia to the World Cup... He relishes big games. He is superior to Ibrahimovc.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:47 AM   #2882 (permalink)
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Maybe that has something to do with the fact that Ibra's played for the best teams in those countries at that time, Milan, Juve, Inter, Barca, Ajax etc. RVP couldn't win the Premiership for Arsenal by himself. You can't put all that on him. If Ibra had been playing for Arsenal would they have won league titles? If anyone's arrogant enough to say that it's you even though it's incredibly hypothetical.
In the 07/08, I think we may have won the title with Ibrah. It's impossible to say really. I'm not sure he'd fit in that well at Arsenal from a personality stand-point. But yeah, hypothetical who knows. It's also worth noting that Ibrah was his teams best player in about half of those league title wins. Also, what you said about Ibrah going to the best teams, check this out. Ajax's last three league positions before Ibrah arrived: 6th, 5th, 3rd. With Ibrah: 1st, 2nd, 1st. When Ibrah arrived at Juve, they'd just finished 3rd, and with him, he lead them to two league titles in a row. Inter hadn't won the league for 18 years until Zlatan arrived and delivered them 3 league titles in a row. Milan hadn't won the league for 7 years before Zlatan won them the league. So yeah, your arguement is full of shit. Every single team he's gone to apart from Barcelona, he's turned around their fortunes big time.

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Falcao has scored 4 in 8 games in the champions league, and 30 in 31 in the Europa league
I did get that slightly wrong. He has 4 goals in 8 games and one assist. So he has a hand in 0.625 goals a game. Not that much better than Ibrah's 0.57 goals a game. Also, if you look up the goals themselves, 3 of Falcao's 4 goals were tap ins, and the only decent goal came against the mighty APOEL Nicosia.

Also, when discussing players' credentials for being considered among the World's best, form in the Europa League is completely irrelevant.

You English are so against Zlatan, it's baffling quite frankly. I guess you are all so myopic that you only pay attention to the Premier League, Real Madrid and Barcelona.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:53 AM   #2883 (permalink)
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Falcao has better workrate than Ibrahimovic, but I'd say Zlatan is better when he wants to be.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:54 AM   #2884 (permalink)
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Well done, Ibra. One big match to his name against a team that is hardly a powerful force anymore. Congrats. Where was he in the next round vs Barca? Where was he in the league games vs Juve? Exlain those ones to me, Bananas?
The amount of times he's single handedly won games in Serie A is astonishing. In League football, every game is a big game, as the same amount of points are at stake no matter what club you're playing. He's a proven match winner and a serial winner. So if you want to remain blind to greatness, go ahead. You're just embarrassing yourself now. The English watch this guy like once a year, and if he doesn't impress on that specific match that happens to be televised on Sky, apparently he's rubbish for the rest of his career. Good logic.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:11 AM   #2885 (permalink)
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I did get that slightly wrong. He has 4 goals in 8 games and one assist. So he has a hand in 0.625 goals a game. Not that much better than Ibrah's 0.57 goals a game. Also, if you look up the goals themselves, 3 of Falcao's 4 goals were tap ins, and the only decent goal came against the mighty APOEL Nicosia.
You're using that against Falcao? Oh he can only score tap ins! what a joke you are, Bananas.

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The amount of times he's single handedly won games in Serie A is astonishing. In League football, every game is a big game, as the same amount of points are at stake no matter what club you're playing. He's a proven match winner and a serial winner. So if you want to remain blind to greatness, go ahead. You're just embarrassing yourself now. The English watch this guy like once a year, and if he doesn't impress on that specific match that happens to be televised on Sky, apparently he's rubbish for the rest of his career. Good logic.
Every league game is not a big game. Don't try to bend stuff to suit your argument. Some games are more than the three points. The Milan vs Juve games. The Inter vs Juve games. The Barca vs Madrid games. These are games where you need to send a message to your rivals. To put doubt in their head. And apart from the first Clasico where he scored the winner, Ibra does not come to those parties.

Yes, he dominates all the weaker opposition. And that's also important. But that does not make you one of the greats.

Also, no one is calling him rubbish by the way. Learn to read, kid.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:00 AM   #2886 (permalink)
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Ok, a couple of things. Nobody is denying that Ibra doesn't have amazing talent. Get that through your head first Bananas. Bullying League teams who will only finish in the lower 2 thirds of a table doesn't make you world class. By big games we mean against the best opposition in the world. You like stats so much so try and defend his record in the CL Knockout Stages. That's even exaggerated because of the Arsenal match last season. Arsenal were woeful in that away leg, especially defensively. They played like a bottom of the table team defensively in that match. When else has he delivered in the Champions League, aka the biggest Club competition in the world against the best players and the best defences in the world.

The Van Persie and Falcao comparisons are baffling. Van Persie was never going to win a league title with Arsenal. That doesn't devalue his individual quality. Last season he was phenomenal. You win titles by having the best team, not the best player. Falcao hasn't played close to the number of games in the CL that Ibra has so you can't even compare the 2 in that competition. Yes the early rounds of the Europa League aren't big games against big teams but the Final sure as hell is and just look at his record in the past 2 finals, along with the Chelsea game.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:20 AM   #2887 (permalink)
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I think if you put them in a poor team, Ibra would outshine Falcao by a bit and RVP by far. In a big game situation with a solid team behind them though, I'd back Falcao.
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I still can't believe you more or less said every game in the league is the same. I honestly can't believe I just read that. For someone who tries to preach to other that they don't understand football, you really do not. You do not understand the mental and emotional side of the game at all, Bananas. Football is not robotic, it isn't some linear game where everything goes at it should. It's not just about talent. There is so much more. And you don't get that at all.

You're someone who has researched a lot of stuff from back in the day and while I respect that, you can only learn so much from reading and watching the odd game here and there. You only learn the statistics in that way and that is far from the whole story, buddy. You really don't get it.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:34 AM   #2889 (permalink)
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it was a good goal from ibra too
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:52 AM   #2890 (permalink)
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I'd take Falcao, Cavani and RVP over Ibrahimovic and I fucking love Ibrahimovic.
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