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Old 11-15-2012, 10:49 PM   #2861 (permalink)
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The Ibra goal is sick, one of the best goals I've ever seen surely, but like Seabs said, the fact that it was an empty net nullifies its chances to be considered as the GOAT goal.

Neymar's penalty was hilarious

On the current Ibra debate, I personally rate him as one of the best players in the world today. Hell, only behind Ronaldo and Messi in terms of pure talent. If he'd actually start to give a shit in games then people will start to rate him higher than they do atm.

I agree that you've to perform in the big games to be considered an elite player. Take a look at Drogba and you'll understand what I'm talking about. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's not a great player or whatnot. Just saying performing in big games would have propelled him to the height and class he wants himself in.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:53 PM   #2862 (permalink)
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Ibra has control and ability in the game thats absolutely and utterly superhuman for a man of his size

Quite possibly the most naturally talented man in the game today. Scary part is, due to his physical attributes, loss of speed wont hurt him so he still has a while on top

Its just up to him to make the best of it
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:45 PM   #2863 (permalink)
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Both teams won the champions league when he left

if anything hes holding teams back
The only team he was holding back was Barcelona. If it wasn't for Ibra, Inter would not have won the league title in 2008\2009.

The squad from Inter in 2008\2009 is much different than squad of Inter in 2009\10(the one that won the champions league). As you can see, in that transfer season, Inter traded Ibra for Eto and they also got around 60-70 million. Inter bought great players like Milito, Sneijder, Motta, Lucio and Pandev who were really vital in their Champions league win. Their squad was much stronger. So it is unfair to say that Ibra was holding Inter back because when he was there he didn't have these players to support him.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:53 PM   #2864 (permalink)
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Ibra wasnt exactly hindering them, but he should have been able to win them the title at some point

World class players dont sit around making excuses, they impose their will and make title and championships happen
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:58 PM   #2865 (permalink)
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Yeah but also need the right players to support you. When he was in Inter, their squad wasn't good enough to win the Champions league. Do you think Messi would have won so many titles if he wasn't playing with great players like Xavi, Iniesta, etc?
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:29 AM   #2866 (permalink)
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no, but i find its rather amusing how alot of his ex teams often find success after hes gone

like i said, its merely a pattern one can draw from looking at the stats

its like with dzeko, it makes no sense, but somehow hes at his best scoring as an impact sub. but not as effective starting.
i can tell you exactly why dzeko is best as an impact sub. when he comes on at the end, we're usually behind, we start pumping the ball into his box. a big guy like him who is a lethal finisher in the box, it's how he prefers the ball. when he starts, he needs to come up the pitch and get the ball, and he's taken away from goal. i'd say if you look at when he gets chances in the box, he's scored about 90% of them.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:41 AM   #2867 (permalink)
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Ibra is in insane form this season, I'm not the one who get excited about an individual goal besides the initial reaction but that was one in a million. One of the best of all time. What bothers me is that the media waited for a goal like that to talk about him as a "Ronaldo/Messi" contender when he has a 8 championships in 9 years record with 5 different clubs(On his way to 6 clubs with PSG). He's up there without a doubt, a complete package of size, skills, power, athleticism, the best striker in the world. The most impressive thing to me in the goal besides his technique in the kick is his crazy instinct to jump that high(In his size and height)after 90 minutes of play. Amazing.

You look at his track record, big success everywhere he went, along with his exceptional ability and he's one of the best target strikers of all time.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:56 AM   #2868 (permalink)
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He is not better than van Persie, Falcao or Aguero, so he is not the best striker in the world.
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:00 AM   #2869 (permalink)
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technique wise he's better than all of them.
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