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Old 11-14-2012, 05:37 PM   #2801 (permalink)
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:38 PM   #2802 (permalink)
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Who are the top 5?
I tried a list, but only found a top 3 for me:

1. Neuer
2. Buffon
3. Czech

Then comes a big group of more or less aquivalent good keepers. Hart would be right there.
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Neuer, Casillas, Lloris and Buffon are definitely better. After that group of players there aren't really many that are close to that level, but there are plenty of keepers that are on a similar level to Hart, some better, some worse. Even in the premiership there are a few who you could argue that have an edge on him.

Rather than going by who are the best five keepers in the world I'd rather ask the question of whether Joe Hart is anywhere close to justifying the hype he receives. So is he? He's definitely not a world class keeper because of his poor kicking, lack of authority on crosses and the regularity of stupid and unnecessary mistakes that he makes. Now bare in mind how the media reveres him and I believe that you would have to say that he's nowhere close to fulfilling the reputation that he has been given.
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:42 PM   #2805 (permalink)
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funny thing is England despite the loss will move back up to the top 5
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:58 PM   #2807 (permalink)
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:49 PM   #2808 (permalink)
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Anyone notice the commentator say 'De Gea should be stopping that' when they showed the highlight of the long range free kick? May have imagined that but me and my flatmate thought we heard that.

Hart always gets overhyped b/c he's English and doesn't play for Manchester United. Obviously he's good but I've been commenting on his flapping of crosses and terrible kicking for ages. Roy Keane, ever the City and England hater, pointed out how Hart has been getting really cocky atm and that's when he felt goalkeepers made mistakes. Of course he's made the three mistakes today that have cost goals and the mistake against Poland but these are not isolated incidents. He made mistakes against Montengro to draw us the match (flaps at a cross) and the mistake against Wales for the free kick. Also made remarks about the City defence after the Real Madrid match where he was at fault for the final goal.

Moaning aside, I don't think he's a bad goalkeeper, he is a very good goalkeeper but he's cocky and he needs a reality check because when he does get cocky he makes bad mistakes. Kind of like that he's getting stick now b/c I feel he usually avoids it whereas De Gea gets it constantly but when he does pull of his amazing saves he doesn't get nearly any credit.
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Forgot all about other games tonight with England and I failed to see Jordan Rhodes popped two in for Scotland. Go on Jordan.
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:13 PM   #2810 (permalink)
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I'm not sure that De Gea doesn't get praise for making good saves. His first six months in England included a lot of poor performances and he rightly got slated. It took him a long time to lose the stigma of being an underperforming keeper but I think that the media gives him plenty of credit now, even when he displays poor technique by saving long range shots with his feet that he should be gathering, or even when he makes camera saves which would have been far simpler via good positioning. He had a couple of dodgy moments at the weekend but I didn't see him cop any criticism for it from the media, although I'm happy to be shown evidence if he did.

Hart is being overhyped for two reasons. First of all he's English, so automatically our media are going to believe that he's amazing. I mean, fucking hell, a lot of our tabloids were claiming that Ben Foster was going to be United's and England's long term number one...Next you have to consider the succession of mediocrity that preceeded him (Foster says hello again) including James, Green and Carson. If you're following that holy triumvirate of disastrous international keepers then you're bound to look amazing.

Oh, and trust me, the reason that Hart gets praise from the media is nothing to do with playing for United. If De Gea was English the tv, newspaper and radio companies would soon start hyping him as well. Even Rob Green was seen as the 'saviour' by some media outlets back in 2008 when he wasn't getting a look in under Capello, just look how that turned out.
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