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According to Souness, Gerrard's been England's most influential player of the past 10 years.
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Is this the same Russia thats has won 4 of 4 in the qualifyers that the USA drew with...

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What's the point in starting Hart?

It's a friendly so a perfect opportunity to experiment which he has done with the outfield players so why start a goalkeeper who we already know what he is capable of at this level and has nothing to prove instead of seeing what Fraser Forster is capable of after putting in 2 superb performances against Barcelona of all teams and who the spanish press have named "The Great Wall"

Oh well I'm prepared for the monthly ITV Wankfest over Joe Hart as soon as he makes a simple save

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That team was so overhyped. As proven by the fact that your best player that tournament was the guy who wasn't playing in the Premier League and who most pundits thought didn't even deserve to be there, Owen Hargreaves.
Well yeah, it was overhyped because it failed. But with all the talent in there and every player starting for their clubs at the highest level in club football, it should not have failed. This was around the time where English clubs were balls deep in the Champions League latter stages.

Hargreaves was indeed the best player. Tbf, to England fans, Sven used to use him on the right until that tournament and he looked shocking as a winger. Once he played in the middle, everyone thought, "oh, so that's where he plays".

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The best chance was clearly 2004 in my eyes.

We had a fit Ledley King, a prime Sol Campbell, younger Ashley Cole, prime Gary Neville, prime David Beckham, prime Paul Scholes (for some reason being played out wide), younger Steven Gerrard, prime Michael Owen, Rooney bursting on the scene and impressing!
Cole, Gerrard and Rooney were better players in 2006. Fair enough on Becks, Scholes and Owen. I don't think defence was an issue at all in 2006. We looked comfortable defensively in Germany.

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According to Souness, Gerrard's been England's most influential player of the past 10 years.
If you had to pick a player, who would it be? Ashley Cole has been the best player based on consistency, but he's not exactly influential.
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What's the point in starting Hart?

It's a friendly so a perfect opportunity to experiment which he has done with the outfield players so why start a goalkeeper who we already know what he is capable of at this level and has nothing to prove instead of seeing what Fraser Forster is capable of after putting in 2 superb performances against Barcelona of all teams and who the spanish press have named "The Great Wall"

Oh well I'm prepared for the monthly ITV Wankfest over Joe Hart as soon as he makes a simple save
Pretty much.

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If you had to pick a player, who would it be? Ashley Cole has been the best player based on consistency, but he's not exactly influential.
Lampard and Rooney have been influential for England. OK, in recent years they've been hit and miss (if they even play) but Gerrard's always done fuck all.

Actually turns he not only said most influential but best altogether.
Then again, Souness is Scottish so of course he'll drag down the English :lions
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Regarding Souness, I agree with him.

The problem wasn't Gerrard, the problem was be insisted on playing Lampard alongside side him even though everyone knows they CANNOT PLAY TOGETHER. We should have played a defensive minded player next to Gerrard.

It's not Gerrard's fault that we didn't get the best out of him or that we didn't have an Alonso or Torres playing in the same team who complimented each other perfectly and all made each other better.

I will say his performances along with Lampard, Beckham and the rest of the golden generation weren't good enough. We all know this though.
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Lampard and Rooney have been influential for England. OK, in recent years they've been hit and miss (if they even play) but Gerrard's always done fuck all.

Actually turns he not only said most influential but best altogether.
Then again, Souness is Scottish so of course he'll drag down the English :lions
Um Gerrard has been better then lampard has been in an England shirt overall. The problem was always playing lampard and Gerrard together. They should have picked one or the other simple as. Rooney has not performed for England since euro 2004.





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England are terrible, the sooner people accept that the better.

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