Originally Posted by Redead
I legit burst out laughing when I read that
Geez, no wonder England is doing so fucking awful compared to the rest of the world. Its like FA are agents designed to make english football retarded
Who are these guys anyways?
A bunch of execs too focused on the absurd amounts of revenue generated by the game to consider what your average working class fan wants. Their theory is they preside over a money machine and therefore know what the fans what even better than the actual fans. They're more concerned at maintaining this illusion that standing is something hooligans want, or that the reintroduction of it would lead to hooliganism becoming rife again (the fact CCTV is present in stadiums and the surrounding areas, as well as the enhanced police powers and banning orders makes this assumption laughable) than actually trying to listen to reason.
Standing isn't unsafe and its actually aimed at being helpful to sitters as well, if standing fans had one or two areas of the ground in which to stand then the rest of the ground can sit in peace, rather than sitters buying tickets to parts of the ground where standing is common and then moaning about being forced to stand or risk not being able to see the game.
Originally Posted by Nige™
Spot on. It irritates me so much that some people blame standing for it.
For one of my assignments at college I chose to base it on standing at football grounds. I interviewed a member of the FSF (Football Supporters Federation) who was campaigning for safe standing in the UK and he made the good points that these areas in Germany which he'd visited were a massive success, but most importantly how at the same grounds in this country where you can't stand for football you can for concerts/gigs.
It's ridiculous quite frankly that new terracing areas or standing at grounds how they are isn't allowed when you can for gigs on the basis of safety when there are all standing stadiums or partial standing areas at grounds outside the top tier. There's never any incidents in League One or below is there? It's absolute bullshit that standing isn't allowed.
Oh man that's an excellent point Nige. The fact you can get thousands crammed into gigs with no limits on beer and drugs smuggled and still give room to standing fans and then point to standing in front of a seat being more dangerous is hilarious. I recall someone saying they were at some gig were people were literally being crushed and the venue was on some steep slope and it just got more absurd to see how blatantly unsafe the gig was, and yet be amazed at how relaxed stewarding was compared to an average football match.
It all goes back to football fans being treated differently than other sports fans. Go to a game of cricket and see what you can get away with (10 beers in one big tray) compared to football and what you're restricted to. I recall a friend of mine saying when he got off the station for an awayday he had police waiting for them and escorting them to a nearby pub where they were told to stay for a good 2-3 hours and then be escorted to the ground with the rest of their support: forced into a ub they naturally had a few pints with little else to do and one of them was then arrested for being deemed drunk and causing a public disturbance :lma
That actually reminds me of the most absurd story I've ever heard:
a mate of mine follows Plymouth Argyle and one day they were playing Sheff Weds away I believe. Basically they were queing to get in and the guy in front had a bad which was searched for any prohibited items, supposedly the guy had some food in there (cheese, sandwiches) to make a snack. My mate and his friend naturally were having a fit at who brings ingredients for a packed lunch to an away game, and when his friend was asked to be searched he replied 'don't worry mate I haven't got any crackers'...the steward then either deemed him drunk or having a poor attitude and turfed him away saying he wouldn't be admitted. Bloody insane to turf someone out over something as harmless as that.