[Ruckus]

Originally Posted by SN0WMAN

I don't blame the players for this result. Terrible team selection and negative tactics cost us today.

Not being a very good team doesn't help either.

[Hajduk1911]

England will still qualify but they shouldn't even be close to top 5 in the world, only reason why they are there is because they don't lose often

[WWE_TNA]

Saw more stuff about the danny rose and u21 incident and it makes my blood fucking boil, serbs should be kicked out tbh and their fans should be banned.

Serbian FA also denying it? fucking mind boggling.

[MarkOut4Barrett]

Originally Posted by Hajduk1911

England will still qualify but they shouldn't even be close to top 5 in the world, only reason why they are there is because they don't lose often

I agree that England shouldn't be in the top five in the world but the point you just made doesn't make any sense. Of course the teams who dont lose often are going to be the best!

[JOAL.com]

actually it just means england are extremely stubborn

[Richard Keys]

My England PLAYER RATINGS

Hart - 4/10. Rob Green is probably getting his hopes up. Was BRAVE in that first half 1 on 1 situation though.
Cole - 6/10. Had an ok game.
Jagielka - 5/10. Out of his depth, thought that is understandable when you play on an underwater pitch.
Frankenlescott - 6/10. Ok but needs to go back to the lab for maintenance to get his performance optimal again.
Glen J - 8/10. One of his better England performances. Should have been given a penalty at the end of the MOVE OF THE GAME (for either team).
Milner - 7/10. Like the way thinks. A lot better in the middle than out wide as has been talked about in the past. And when out wide he always goes to the byline, and too often it's some blind alley impossible situation. Get's annoying and he needs to vary that up a bit more. Worked hard and seemed more up for it than some of the other players who didn't seem to fancy it on the shitty pitch.
Carrick - 1/10. As shit as ever, a shining beacon of plodding lack of urgency at the centre of England's midfield.
Gerrard - 7/10. Hit some decent passes and made a few things happen.
Cleverly - 6/10. Doesn't seem as good as he was before he got injured at Bolton last season. Hope we don't get the same situation with Wilshere.
Defoe - 3/10. Very greedy player, a characteristic that has gruesomely mutated and risen to the surface probably due to not starting games at Spurs regularly enough in the past. Fluffed a great chance in a poor showing, body language was off.
Rooney - 5/10. His elephant first touch was back. Moaned at Welbeck for no good reason. On the plus side he tracked back well to make a great tackle in the first half in what was a dangerous situation, and great finish with the shoulder for the goal.

Subs

Ox - 7/10. Made a positive impact when he came on. As Ray Wilkins once said "He's an extremely bright young man this young man."
Welbeck - 6/10. Ok. Although he didn't sparkle when he came on. I think he should have started rather than Defoe.

[Tenacious.C]

Am I the only one who noticed Ashley Cole was doing his best Evra impression today?


Also Carrick with DEM sideway/backward passes.

[WWE_TNA]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Hams

My England PLAYER RATINGS


Milner - 7/10. Like the way thinks. A lot better in the middle than out wide as has been talked about in the past. And when out wide he always goes to the byline, and too often it's some blind alley impossible situation. Get's annoying and he needs to vary that up a bit more. Worked hard and seemed more up for it than some of the other players who t passes and made a few things happen.

[WOOLCOCK]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

Polish fans have been superb tonight, wouldn't be suprised if they are the louder set of fans in the return game at Wembley

Only way they don't bring a good following is if the prices are over the top and not enough of the fanatics get tickets instead of some who live in England and will go but lack the passion of the more devoted Polish supporters.

That being said 300 of the more hardcore Polish would have no trouble out-singing England at Wembley, between the pricing, the nature of the English support (not arsed unless its a big rival in club/internationals) and the amount of people who come to football these days to be entertained rather than make some noise, the English support at international and club level at home is probably the worst of any major European country with the exception of Spain.

The away followings on average are far better, but still comfortably below some of the Greek, Croatian, Austrian and German supports (especially club level). Problem in England is people are so focused on winning the game that they don't bother creating an atmosphere when nothing's happening on the pitch, always has been a more reactionary sort of atmosphere in England. These European supports though just sing because its all they know, that and enough of a majority sing so you don't get a situation where you're the only person around you singing which always puts off people in England.

England, Liverpool, United, Chelsea, City, Arsenal etc all get easily outsung at home by travelling supports in Europe due to the above reasons I've stated. Only British side who can say on average they're louder are Celtic and that's primarily because of the Green Brigade and their transformation of the Celtic support.

[Gandhi]

Originally Posted by mr cricket

Friendly match, right?

Yep.