[AJBurnett]

It was interesting to lose to Wales because of the penalty resulting from that dive, but there was a penalty earlier in the match that they were denied.

[Vader]

Originally Posted by TheF1BOB

Bale said it was a deffo penalty when questioned on Sky.

Does play for the scum mind you...



Typical, only the United lot found the game noteworthy.



We could of put a team from WF and probably got the same result.

Where did I mention anything in regards to the game? To say Welbeck and Cleverley aren't international class was where my issue with the statement was. It may be a bit soon for Cleverley as he's only played about 20 first team games and I'm certainly not on the "new Scholes" bandwagon however he's looked impressive this season is small bursts but Welbeck looks like he could be really good if he figures out how to score into open nets. I've seen Shelvey play about 3 times and he's scored a good goal in one of them and was sent off in the other, so can't really comment on him.

Typical Arsenal fan though - seeing something different to others.

[Irish Jet]

Cleverley and Welbeck not international class? For a nation where Francis Jeffers and David Nugent have international caps, where Emile Heskey has 62 fucking caps. Tell me, when could you not have been worried about England's future?

[JOAL.com]

England is still ways off of other countries

Its not just the system, its the players

They arent good enough. I look at Germany, Spain, Brazil, even Italy and I see the sheer amount of talent bolstering through their ranks, its astonishing. If Reus or Mata were english theyd be called better than Messi. All the english have is his holiness Jack 'hasnt played a game in 15 months' wilshere

Part of it is just looking at the squads, the teams that top the league, the Manchesters and the Chelseas and Arsenals have very few englishmen, in contrast to the lower teams bolstering with them. And even looking at those teams, you'll see the best players of those squads are usually not the English

Meanwhile in Spain, Germany and Italy, the elite clubs are still loaded with superb local talent. For example Germany's squad today all are champions league calibre Dortmund, Bayern and Madrid players. Players that start regularly for the best clubs on earth and have familiarity. Same with Spain, its basically Barca with Madrid and Jesus to fill up the ranks. All the best from the highest clubs and leagues.

And then you have England, where its basically filled with liverpool players, lower league guys, some old people, and the manchester united bench

In 2004 to 2010 England had a generation of players that maybe could have been called some of the best on earth, but now, they dont even have that. They have a retarded FA, players who seem to hate working together, and a genuine lack of world class English players. Why? Where have they all gone? What the hell is shelvey doing out there? In what universe is that enough to take on the major European squads

The FA needs to pull their head out of their ass and fix this. Instituting more english players in clubs wont help because all most clubs just use them to fill up the quota and reserves and rarely play them. The key is fixing the youth development system. Spain, Germany, Holland, Italy and south America and even france somehow found a way to develop world class players. The Barca, Ajax and Dortmund academies are almost miracles. They dont just develop club talent, but they develop international ones

The FA and english clubs need to sort this out. Why arent English players as good as foreign ones? Why do English clubs dominate europe meanwhile England never makes it to Semis?

[Seb]

Cleverly was awful in the first half, but much better in the second. Tempo and chance creation both upped once Carrick went off, when we became much more direct, even though Shelvery didn't really do a lot either. Should've played another striker instead, or instead of one of the CB's with Carrick covering. Defoe should've been on the pitch, as San Marino were never going to do anything.

Lennon was generally poor, Walker was absolutely shocking (a shame really, he's looked very good in his other England appearances). I liked how much Ox ran at their defence though, and Welbeck had a good game (again). Everything else was pretty meh, it was a pretty disappointing performance overall. Shame their keeper wasn't sent off/a pen awarded for the Walcott tackle, wonder how many more we could've scored. Was hoping Rooney would bag at least 3.

Also, LOL @ that Ireland score. Damn. Germany seem to have been on a WCQ rampage since 1-5.

@ redead As far as the FA pulling their head's out of their ass goes, you realise we've just opened St George's Park? Southgate and co. voted through youngsters playing on smaller pitches a while back as well (as used in countries like Spain and Germany), or something like that. Might not be the big fix, but it's a start. Also, we would've made Semi's if our players could handle penalties

[Lightning]

Originally Posted by Redead

If Reus or Mata were english theyd be called better than Messi.

I've posted it before but it's so good it can go up again.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...rard-liverpool

Steven Gerrard believes Liverpool are set for a bright new era under Roy Hodgson after the "horror" of last season – and claims that the new signing Joe Cole is better than Barcelona's Lionel Messi.

[JOAL.com]

Joe Cole, i really did like him. But lolengland

How much did they pay for Reus in Dortmund again?

[Samoon]

Uruguay vs Argentina going to start.

[JOAL.com]

dat attacking talent

[JOAL.com]

Ok, theyre playing messi basically as a central midfielder in this

what the fuck bro