[Renegade™]

I've never agreed with Fergie unjustly criticising the referee because he got his tactics wrong or the team just didn't perform, I hate when he does that. However it's just his way of deflecting the inevitable roasting the players would cop if he didn't turn the attention to something else.

Sure Utd have gotten favourable decisions before and will in the future, but every other club will too. It really comes down to ref's usually bottling it and pussying out, caving under pressure from the home crowd.

Sure we have had a lot of favourable decisions, but does any other team get decisions like Man Utd?

Juventus and Real Madrid spring to mind, and Chelsea are no worse than Utd overall.

[Joel]

Originally Posted by Renegade™

I've never agreed with Fergie unjustly criticising the referee because he got his tactics wrong or the team just didn't perform, I hate when he does that. However it's just his way of deflecting the inevitable roasting the players would cop if he didn't turn the attention to something else.

Of course there is a reason for it. It's MIND GAMES. Ferguson said what he says to make sure that the next referee will be under pressure to give Man Utd the 50-50 decision. Same thing that Terry done. It's been in football for years. I'm sure most of the people in here are over 20. We've been watching football for over 10 years. Which makes me wonder some people are acting like this is new?

Originally Posted by Renegade™

Juventus and Real Madrid spring to mind, and Chelsea are no worse than Utd overall.

I was mainly talking about in England. I don't think any team has had the amount of decisions Utd has had. Maybe that is because you have been the top team for the longest period, maybe it is because your manager knows how to play the games better than anyone else, or most likely it is a bit of both.

[dR1]

Last season Chelsea probably had a hell of a lot more "nice" decisions than anymore really, main example could probably be both games with Man Utd. Both of Chelsea's winning goals shouldn't have happened, and although Macheda's shouldn't have either, that goal didn't matter at that point. 1 of them games becomes a draw and Man Utd have the title...

I can't really remember prior seasons and shit that well really, but Old Trafford/Stamford Bridge have been the main places for garbage decisions for a long time now, all you have to do to prove this is look at the amount of penalties Lampard/Ballack/Ronaldo/Rooney have taken over any other team. Going back as far as RVN, Man Utd have been getting their fair share of luck, nearly half his goals one season were penalties and he somehow magically won POTY over Thierry Henry(who rarely took them) who had more goals, more assists and was generally better.

[Nige™]

Originally Posted by Joel

I was mainly talking about in England. I don't think any team has had the amount of decisions Utd has had. Maybe that is because you have been the top team for the longest period, maybe it is because your manager knows how to play the games better than anyone else, or most likely it is a bit of both.

Wenger's the worst. Ahead of the game against us, he brought out the rugby comments and criticised Stoke and how his team need a big referee to protect them. That annoys me big time. Yet whenever one of his players does a bad tackle like Gallas on Mark Davies (Bolton), he says he didn't see it.

Originally Posted by dR1

Last season Chelsea probably had a hell of a lot more "nice" decisions than anymore really, main example could probably be both games with Man Utd. Both of Chelsea's winning goals shouldn't have happened, and although Macheda's shouldn't have either, that goal didn't matter at that point. 1 of them games becomes a draw and Man Utd have the title...

Selective memory one would guess! Those decisions were terrible, the Drogba one especially. It couldn't have been any easier for the linesman to spot, right along his line of sight and about 15/20 yards away from him.

[Joel]

It's nothing to do with selective memory. Read through ALL my posts I've made on this topic. Not in one have I said that Chelsea don't get decisions. All I have said is Man Utd has had the most throughout the years.

And in no way is Wenger worse than Ferguson for these mind games. Teams try to be as physical as possible on Arsenal. He's had to watch his players suffer serious injuries on more than three occassions in the last 4 years, you'd expect him to be pissed off. I don't agree with him when he said that those players should never play again, or if he said they meant to break the leg, but he has a point.

I have nothing against Blackburn at all, but you guys do try to foul goalkeepers on set pieces. You only have to look a few weeks back with Diouf and Schwarzer to see this.

[Nige™]

Originally Posted by Joel

I have nothing against Blackburn at all, but you guys do try to foul goalkeepers on set pieces. You only have to look a few weeks back with Diouf and Schwarzer to see this.

It's shocking I know. The most annoying thing is that Big Sam says we play good football at times. I don't see it. We did okay first half against Arsenal, but when we're playing for set pieces the whole time it's so hard to watch. When we've got big boys in the box like Samba, Nelsen, Nzonzi, Kalinic & Diouf, I don't know why it doesn't cross his mind to say, try and get it on their head and score the old fashioned way. To foul the goalkeeper like Diouf did against Fulham was insane. Why play for a free kick to give one away?

The clue's there for Sam but he persists with these stupid ideas. How we got away with it I don't know. Had we not, maybe he'd see sense and change his tactics that don't stretch the rules of the game.

[united_07]

apparently the england team for tonight

England Team: Foster Lescott Jagielka Ferdinand Gibbs Walcott Henderson Barry Milner Gerrard Carroll

good to see some of the younger players getting a chance

[Rockhead]

What's the French team? ^^^

Argentina/Brazil hasn't been bad. Would have liked to see some goals already, though. I like Neymar. He's got promise, and should be playing at a European club within a year. I hear Juventus is the most likely at the moment. Bore. Go to Chelsea, boy.

[S-Mac]

1-0 France already looking much better than England atm.

[WWE_TNA]

Benzema's goal was nice finish, fergie sign him up......