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Old 11-07-2011, 12:30 PM   #1321 (permalink)
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Lol at Song being better than Parker.
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:44 PM   #1322 (permalink)
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Stringer, you seriously need to stop changing your words, because you wasn't hating on Cahill when you was linked with him.

I agree that the England team is uninspiring though. Even if the players missing were included, they still suck, because England don't play well as a team.
I'd still happily take him in January for a small fee or in the summer for free. It's only been this year where I have taken a bit more interest in him, and he really isn't that special.

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no, because per is german and overhyped, slow as fuck and cant position himself to save his life.

there's no point trying to push the he's overhyped cos he's english on someone who isnt english btw. cahill is a good defender who is a better player than per. you had no qualms about him being linked to arsenal as joel said.
You still support an English team, so hype from the media and the league in general will definitely effect your opinion of a player. Germans are barely overhyped at all here. Most pundits were saying Germany had an average squad for the 2010 WC.

I guess you just watched the Blackburn and Chelsea games right? A few days after the Chelsea game he had a good game vs. Marseille. There's a video somewhere on YT, and most of the time his positioning is spot on, I'm not quite sure how you can say that. He has been solid most of the games he has played here, barring those two. Give him a chance at least, he was signed on deadline day and has barely been here two months, it's dumb to write a player off arriving in a new country, adjusting to a new pace. He doesn't have 78 caps for Germany at 26 for no reason. His aerial ability when under pressure is surprisingly his weakest asset, he reads the game quite well. He is quite good at heading the ball coming into the box but isn't the best off set pieces. Him playing the ball out of the back isn't that good either. How many goals that we have conceded can you put down to his pace? Hardly none, most are because of his poor arial ability under pressure.

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mertersacker was pretty great a few years back. But now, forget it. I'd rather pick Badstuber over him on the german national team. which loew is already doing.

i mean he was always pretty slow but my god, he really declined compared to how he used to be. Still pretty solid though if there are fast enough guys to help out
I always find it funny that Terry is the benchmark of a great defender, then Mertesacker is criticised of his pace. Per has a higher top speed, and is only slower in short distance areas. Agree with the second point though, a more mobile centre back beside him helps a lot. Him partnering Squilacci would be a disaster.
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:50 PM   #1323 (permalink)
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Is howedes in the frame for germany at the back or is he having a shit season.
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Old 11-07-2011, 03:20 PM   #1324 (permalink)
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I always find it funny that Terry is the benchmark of a great defender, then Mertesacker is criticised of his pace. Per has a higher top speed, and is only slower in short distance areas. Agree with the second point though, a more mobile centre back beside him helps a lot. Him partnering Squilacci would be a disaster.
Terry is faster than mertersacker. he beat him to that header didnt he

but yeah, both guys have speed problems. Problem is merter's height doesnt help with this speed thing and Terry's partner's since carvalho left havent been that fast. or stable in luiz's case

But come on, whats the value of long terms runs in defending? Its all short bursts and good timing

As for Germany, the current backline is Boateng RB, Hummels and Badstuber CB, and Lahm LB

which is fantastic, seeing as asides from hummels, theyre all bayern guys including Neuer. With Bastien holding the line id struggle to find someone who can pierce that defence
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Old 11-07-2011, 03:42 PM   #1325 (permalink)
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I always find it funny that Terry is the benchmark of a great defender, then Mertesacker is criticised of his pace. Per has a higher top speed, and is only slower in short distance areas. Agree with the second point though, a more mobile centre back beside him helps a lot. Him partnering Squilacci would be a disaster.
Terry was a great defender in 04-05 & 05-06, but no other time, imo. He has just been good to very good.. He is slow (as we all know) and has been beaten 1 on 1 too many times. His organisation skills are very good, usually dependable in the air and was once a very good reader of the game.

He's inspirational to Chelsea though. Can't take that from him.
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Old 11-07-2011, 04:41 PM   #1326 (permalink)
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Absolutely, but it does frustrate when pundits describe him as god like and pan Per for his speed. Per is more clumsy in the box when getting over short distances, more than outright slow. Thing is, we need someone quick with playing such a high line, once a ball is played over the top Per is going to be lost. We've dealt with that reasonably well so far this season, usually Koscielny mopping up. Both Verm and Kos are comfortably better, I'm not painting him as a class defender, there are a lot of players better.

As for Song being better than Parker, for Arsenal he is absolutely. He fits us like a glove in the middle. Not going to argue if someone thinks he is better individually, as I can see why, even though I don't agree.

Germany's defence is fantastic. Munich have really stepped up their defensive game and that only helps Germany. It's where they have the edge over Argentina, a far superior defence and play like a team. The really annoying thing is, is that Hummels was on Munich's books a few years back and with him Bayern would have the 5 defenders and Schweini. Couple that with Muller and Gomez and you would have had 8 first team players. And Khedira, Ozil and Gotze. Stupid strong team. Reus, Podolski, Schurrle, Kroos, Klose, Howedes and Schmelzer are all great players too. I just really, really hope they develop another striker soon. Luckily they have a world class striker in Gomez, but I don't see too many outrageous young strikers coming through.

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Old 11-07-2011, 05:31 PM   #1327 (permalink)
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Well there is andre schurrle. He's young but very promising.

And you know how these germans rise to the occasion in the national team. It brings out the best in them. Plus, in time maybe muller could transition into main striker with gotze down the right
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That English team looks so cray.
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Old 11-07-2011, 05:55 PM   #1329 (permalink)
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How the fuck Mertesacker gets ahead of Huth in the German squad I'll never know.

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Old 11-07-2011, 06:12 PM   #1330 (permalink)
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