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Old 10-09-2010, 04:20 AM   #101 (permalink)
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How Ancelotti could watch the footage of Terry being embarassed time and time again by faster and fitter strikers and still keep his position and wages at Chelsea is for me one of my personal seven wonders of the world.
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^ Because he's English, the press hype him up ridiculously, he's very good, but sometimes he's talked about as world class which is a tad laughable.
Maybe because Terry lifts a trophy every year. Come on, you don't have to be Albert Einstein to realise that.

Travis, you go on and on about Terry like as if he fucked your mother or something. But the only time he has cost us (Chelsea) big is in the Champions League final. And that wasn't even to do with his defending.

If you want to blast him about his England performances then fair do's. But you don't support Chelsea, so him playing for Chelsea week in week out has fuck all to do with you.
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Old 10-09-2010, 04:32 AM   #102 (permalink)
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Why do you think he lifts a trophy every year? For the simple fact that he's at Chelsea... surrounded by tons of world class players. It's like Juventus in their prime with guys like Ferrera - had he left we would have been fine but because he's on the winning team the fans connect with him and it made him seem a better player than he actually was.

I also didn't realise you had to be a chelsea supporter to rate Chelsea's players. I watch Chelsea at least 25 times a year and I know for a fact that Terry leaving that team would have no impact on their results. And in fact had they not had someone as slow as Terry marking Eto last year they may have progressed further than the second round of the champions league.

Yes I do hate Terry because he represents everything that is wrong with the coaching system in this country. Over here we encourage the brash, "leader of men" bollocks whereas in countries like Spain they are actually targeting skill, pace and ability. Had Terry been brought in a footballing nation that prided itself on attributes that actually matter then he would be playing second division football.
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Maybe because Terry lifts a trophy every year. Come on, you don't have to be Albert Einstein to realise that.

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Gary Neville lifts a trophy every year, doesn't mean he should be in the england first 11.
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Old 10-09-2010, 05:00 AM   #104 (permalink)
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Why do you think he lifts a trophy every year? For the simple fact that he's at Chelsea... surrounded by tons of world class players. It's like Juventus in their prime with guys like Ferrera - had he left we would have been fine but because he's on the winning team the fans connect with him and it made him seem a better player than he actually was.
No Travis. If Terry was as bad as you make out then we won't always be up there with the least goals conceded. We wouldn't be winning a trophy every season. Carvalho and Alex are very good (understatement with Carvalho), but they aren't superman. They can't cover Terry's ass for 90 minutes 50+ games a season. Sorry, but I just think you're full of hate and it is CLEARLY dictating your views.

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I also didn't realise you had to be a chelsea supporter to rate Chelsea's players. I watch Chelsea at least 25 times a year and I know for a fact that Terry leaving that team would have no impact on their results. And in fact had they not had someone as slow as Terry marking Eto last year they may have progressed further than the second round of the champions league.
It's not about you rating him or not. It's about you questioning Ancelotti on wht he is starting. Who the fuck are you to do that? Who are you to question Ancelotti - a man who has won everything he has gone after - on why are he is starting the man who captained his team to the league title and was part of the defence who conceded the least goals last season?

Terry plays left central defence. Eto'o scored on the right side of the pitch last year at Stamford Bridge. Whilst Terry was marking Diego Milito. You are nothing but a hater and your points and views on this are becoming laughable.

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Yes I do hate Terry because he represents everything that is wrong with the coaching system in this country. Over here we encourage the brash, "leader of men" bollocks whereas in countries like Spain they are actually targeting skill, pace and ability. Had Terry been brought in a footballing nation that prided itself on attributes that actually matter then he would be playing second division football.
I couldn't give two shits if you hate him or not. But if you speak bollocks and make shit up when you're talking about him involving Chelsea, then I'm going to be there to correct it.

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Gary Neville lifts a trophy every year, doesn't mean he should be in the england first 11.
My comments have nothing to do with England. Plus, Terry plays every week. Neville is lucky to play five times a season now. Completely different circumstances.
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Old 10-09-2010, 06:07 AM   #105 (permalink)
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Terry is a good centre back, he's not exactly quick but he is RARELY made to look like an idiot. He had a shit few months last year but other than that he has been one of the best defenders in the league over the past half decade. As long as the positioning and awareness is in place, pace is merely a bonus. Terry is solid, I don't see him as world class but other than Rio and Vidic, he'd be the next in line if I was making a Premiership defence.
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Joel,

You obviously don't understand how the english media works. If Terry was to be dropped there would be an uproar and Ancelotti would get endless hassle from the press. Instead he thinks fuck it, keep the guy in and yes lets just those defenders carry him 50 plus games a season which is exactly what they do.
In England we have to hype up average players to try and convince ourselves that we are a world class team. Whenver we are knocked out of a major international tournament it is never because our players are grossly overrated but rather the manager, or the refs, or too many matches in england or too many injuries or they just can't gel together. What utter bollocks - England's track record in major international tournaments proves that something is wrong with the coaching system because they don't pick players based on skill like other nations such as Brazil, Argentina and Spain..

Terry is a great header of the ball and that is it. He is slow as shit and can't read the game well. Top strikers especially the quick ones frequently embarass him but whenver this happens the media hush hush the matter and instead massively emphasise all the good things he does to try and make people forget about his obvious flaws.

Seems to me like you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. I understand exactly how players like Terry come to be called world class in this country and it has little to do with their ability with a football.
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Travis, you're just going on and on with the same tune. Like a broken record. I can't be bothered anymore. You're not going to change your mind and I'm not going to change mine. If you want to continue then go ahead, but I won't be.

So what does people think the starting line up (England) will be?

GK: Hart
RB: G. Johnson
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Terry
LB: A. Cole
RM: A. Johnson
CM: Gerrard
CM: Barry
LM: Milner
ST: Rooney
ST: Crouch
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Travis, you're just going on and on with the same tune. Like a broken record. I can't be bothered anymore. You're not going to change your mind and I'm not going to change mine. If you want to continue then go ahead, but I won't be.

So what does people think the starting line up (England) will be?

GK: Hart
RB: G. Johnson
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Terry
LB: A. Cole
RM: A. Johnson
CM: Gerrard
CM: Barry
LM: Milner
ST: Rooney
ST: Crouch
Milner's suspended, so hopefully that means Johnson goes over to the left and Ashley Young plays on the right. I'd prefer to see Darren Bent start than Crouchy too. Other than that, I'd stick with that team although I'm not too keen on seeing Rio & Terry carry on at centre half. There's just no suitable alternative with Jagielka & Dawson injured, and Lescott's just not up to it. I think Cahill should get a chance soon, only a qualifier isn't the time to take a risk, especially with Montenegro having got 9 points from 9. We should beat them but we shouldn't underestimate them either.
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Old 10-09-2010, 10:09 PM   #109 (permalink)
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Joel, no worries, sucks for England though that the tosser has to return to the team. Not exactly missing him were they?
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Old 10-09-2010, 11:17 PM   #110 (permalink)
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Am I the only one who doesn't rate Garu Cahill? Extremely average player tbf. Rio partnered with Terry should be fine, Terry is a very good defender despite being overrated, and alongside Rio against Montenegro there shouldn't be a problem.
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