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Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I recall England cruised the Qualification campaign. There not the first, nor will be the last team to bottle it. Don't forget if the Lampard goal was allowed, the game would easily have shifted in momentum.

Capello has always learned from his mistakes as a manager, hence the recent injection of youth and testing of multiple new formations. Give him time, England will come good at the Euros.
The first paragraph is true. Losing to Germany was no disgrace and at 2-2 it could've been a different game. But we were horribly exposed in the second half in midfield, Ozil and Muller just murdered us on the break (Oh Barry). Didn't Capello even bring Heskey on off the bench? The problem was - we shouldn't have been playing Germany. Our woeful group stage cost us, not being able to beat Algeria or the USA.

I doubt we'll come good at the Euro's, but obviously i'd like nothing more than to be proved wrong. The injection of youth - well it's hardly a bold move, players like Wilshere and Jones deserve to be in the squad/team, and we should've been using 4-3-3 during the World Cup, not just after it.

Also @ Kiz, I don't want Ancelotti or Guus. Nor did I want Capello. Getting a foreign coach is just trying to buy success, rather than using the best you've got, which is the whole point of international football (this doesn't apply to developing nations). I wanted Redknapp to get the job at the time (and I definitely want him to succeed Capello), but obviously there was the whole tax fraud fiasco going on with him at the time.
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australia arent really having many good local managers come through. osleck is doing a pretty good job thus far.
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The first paragraph is true. Losing to Germany was no disgrace and at 2-2 it could've been a different game. But we were horribly exposed in the second half in midfield, Ozil and Muller just murdered us on the break (Oh Barry). Didn't Capello even bring Heskey on off the bench? The problem was - we shouldn't have been playing Germany. Our woeful group stage cost us, not being able to beat Algeria or the USA.

I doubt we'll come good at the Euro's, but obviously i'd like nothing more than to be proved wrong. The injection of youth - well it's hardly a bold move, players like Wilshere and Jones deserve to be in the squad/team, and we should've been using 4-3-3 during the World Cup, not just after it.

Also @ Kiz, I don't want Ancelotti or Guus. Nor did I want Capello. Getting a foreign coach is just trying to buy success, rather than using the best you've got, which is the whole point of international football (this doesn't apply to developing nations). I wanted Redknapp to get the job at the time (and I definitely want him to succeed Capello), but obviously there was the whole tax fraud fiasco going on with him at the time.
I agree with this and want an English manager for basically the same reasons.
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The first paragraph is true. Losing to Germany was no disgrace and at 2-2 it could've been a different game. But we were horribly exposed in the second half in midfield, Ozil and Muller just murdered us on the break (Oh Barry). Didn't Capello even bring Heskey on off the bench? The problem was - we shouldn't have been playing Germany. Our woeful group stage cost us, not being able to beat Algeria or the USA.

I doubt we'll come good at the Euro's, but obviously i'd like nothing more than to be proved wrong. The injection of youth - well it's hardly a bold move, players like Wilshere and Jones deserve to be in the squad/team, and we should've been using 4-3-3 during the World Cup, not just after it.

Also @ Kiz, I don't want Ancelotti or Guus. Nor did I want Capello. Getting a foreign coach is just trying to buy success, rather than using the best you've got, which is the whole point of international football (this doesn't apply to developing nations). I wanted Redknapp to get the job at the time (and I definitely want him to succeed Capello), but obviously there was the whole tax fraud fiasco going on with him at the time.
While I don't disagree on that switching to a 4-3-3, or even a 4-3-2-1 would have been better, at the time a large majority were confident that England would do well with the status quo. Tactics and player selection played a part, but I think nobody expected the team to capitulate under the big-game nerves.

The inclusion of players with a bit of mobility to their game like Wilshere, Cleverly, Young and Jones, added with the pace of Wellbeck, Walcott, Sturridge and Bent, makes the team a much more dangerous proposition then the previous team. Obviously Spain and Germany are the better sides, but Semis is for sure achievable.

If Capello is serious about building a nucleus of young talent for the next couple of years, it will be an exiting time to be an England Fan.
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He also hung our best player of the last 10 years (Owen) out to dry, and wouldn't even tell our most passionate/patriotic player, Beckham, to his face that his England career was over.

He did a crap job at the World Cup, and you're stubborn and blind if you think otherwise.

Germany were better than us, and are a lot better than us now, but they tore us apart on the break because Capello refused to play 3 in the centre of midfield so he could play Defoe up front. It's almost comical. We shouldn't have even been playing Germany, but we couldn't even win a group with 3 extremely mediocre teams in it. We lost to the USA because of a Green howler (when the whole country was telling Capello to play Joe Hart), and then were outplayed by the other team in our group... Algeria? I can't even remember.

Good riddance, should've been sacked already. Gets 4x the wage Del Bosque does, but still couldn't motivate/inspire players to perform for England who have proven their quality at club level. Were they good enough to win the World Cup? No, but our performances in the group stage and complete annihilation by Germany were embarrassing.
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^ typo, *we lost a goal

Well he's going after the Euro's, even if we win it.

I personally feel the whole squad needs a cleanout, even more so after the Euro's. Players that are old or haven't done it for England should be brushed aside and we should go forward with the players you mentioned for the next World Cup. For me, Walcott really has a lot to prove for England. I don't trust him to perform against top class right/left backs.

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Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Manchester City), David James (Portsmouth), Robert Green (West Ham).
Defenders: Jamie Carragher (Liverpool), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Rio Ferdinand (Manchester United), Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Ledley King (Tottenham), John Terry (Chelsea), Matthew Upson (West Ham), Stephen Warnock (Aston Villa).
Midfielders: Gareth Barry (Manchester City), Michael Carrick (Manchester United), Joe Cole (Chelsea), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), Aaron Lennon (Tottenham), James Milner (Aston Villa), Shaun Wright-Phillips (Manchester City).
Forwards: Peter Crouch (Tottenham), Jermain Defoe (Tottenham), Emile Heskey (Aston Villa), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United).
I know most of those are gone or injured, but I would cast aside everyone in that squad apart from Hart, Cole, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Lampard, Milner and Rooney. Euro's is the end for Ferdinand, Gerrard and Lampard, who is a bench player already.
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^ typo, *we lost a goal

Well he's going after the Euro's, even if we win it.

I personally feel the whole squad needs a cleanout, even more so after the Euro's. Players that are old or haven't done it for England should be brushed aside and we should go forward with the players you mentioned for the next World Cup. For me, Walcott really has a lot to prove for England. I don't trust him to perform against top class right/left backs.

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I would cast aside everyone in that squad apart from Hart, Cole, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Lampard, Milner and Rooney. Euro's is the end for Ferdinand, Gerrard and Lampard, who is a bench player already.
Clearout wont ever happen. You everyone knows England need change but you dare single out a player to drop and the backlash for it is unreal.

We should follow the lead of other nations scrap the older players and build a side to an actual aim.

France way back when built a football academy with the sole intention of building towards winning the world cup in 1998. What happened they won it and followed up with the Euro's.

Spain enginered a side starting back in euro 1996 with a philosophy of trying to keep the ball down and just play passing football they breed it right down to the under 17's squad. Result - World Cup Champions, European champions and looking like the best national side possibly ever.

England have no such focus. We're too obsessed as a nation with the big name players. We never focus on anything other than the next game and this complete lack of planning from our F.A is why we will never succeed.
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Clearout wont ever happen. You everyone knows England need change but you dare single out a player to drop and the backlash for it is unreal.

We should follow the lead of other nations scrap the older players and build a side to an actual aim.

France way back when built a football academy with the sole intention of building towards winning the world cup in 1998. What happened they won it and followed up with the Euro's.

Spain enginered a side starting back in euro 1996 with a philosophy of trying to keep the ball down and just play passing football they breed it right down to the under 17's squad. Result - World Cup Champions, European champions and looking like the best national side possibly ever.

England have no such focus. We're too obsessed as a nation with the big name players. We never focus on anything other than the next game and this complete lack of planning from our F.A is why we will never succeed.
You're right on the money.

Big names are fine, but not if they don't perform - e.g. Terry, Lampard/Gerrard as a combination (which even lead to the end of Scholes), Beckham post-2004 (though he was still bench worthy). Then mediocre players like SWP, Downing, Johnson, Rob Green, Carrick, Barry, Heskey, Defore who have continued to be in and around England squads despite having done nothing to earn it. At least we've got some promising players - Hart, Wilshere and Young have all done excellently since being bought in. Hopefully AOC, Welbeck, Sturridge and Jones all kick on and have excellent seasons.
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^ typo, *we lost a goal

Well he's going after the Euro's, even if we win it.

I personally feel the whole squad needs a cleanout, even more so after the Euro's. Players that are old or haven't done it for England should be brushed aside and we should go forward with the players you mentioned for the next World Cup. For me, Walcott really has a lot to prove for England. I don't trust him to perform against top class right/left backs.
He's to inconsistent to be a dead starter, but he makes a useful weapon as an impact player late in the game. All I hope is that in his last couple of months in charge, Capello sets a foundation like Klinsmann did to build upon. I wouldn't even be opposed to a promotion from within as Pearce should be well acquainted with all the youngsters coming through


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Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Manchester City), David James (Portsmouth), Robert Green (West Ham).
Defenders: Jamie Carragher (Liverpool), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Rio Ferdinand (Manchester United), Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Ledley King (Tottenham), John Terry (Chelsea), Matthew Upson (West Ham), Stephen Warnock (Aston Villa).
Midfielders: Gareth Barry (Manchester City), Michael Carrick (Manchester United), Joe Cole (Chelsea), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), Aaron Lennon (Tottenham), James Milner (Aston Villa), Shaun Wright-Phillips (Manchester City).
Forwards: Peter Crouch (Tottenham), Jermain Defoe (Tottenham), Emile Heskey (Aston Villa), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United).
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I know most of those are gone or injured, but I would cast aside everyone in that squad apart from Hart, Cole, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Lampard, Milner and Rooney. Euro's is the end for Ferdinand, Gerrard and Lampard, who is a bench player already.
That makes sense. I'd be tempted to even get rid of one of the three before the Euro's.


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Clearout wont ever happen. You everyone knows England need change but you dare single out a player to drop and the backlash for it is unreal.

We should follow the lead of other nations scrap the older players and build a side to an actual aim.

France way back when built a football academy with the sole intention of building towards winning the world cup in 1998. What happened they won it and followed up with the Euro's.

Spain enginered a side starting back in euro 1996 with a philosophy of trying to keep the ball down and just play passing football they breed it right down to the under 17's squad. Result - World Cup Champions, European champions and looking like the best national side possibly ever.

England have no such focus. We're too obsessed as a nation with the big name players. We never focus on anything other than the next game and this complete lack of planning from our F.A is why we will never succeed.


Southgate being in charge of youth development sums it up tbh.
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