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08-11-2008, 07:24 PM
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Re: Official Premier League ~ FA Cup ~ Carling Cup ~ Discussion Thread 08/09 Season
Lampard for a season or two was different class in that role but for longevity I'd give Scholes the nod.
Makelele wasn't in Scholesy's league last season.
Makelele is proabably the best to play that role, but not last season.
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08-11-2008, 07:52 PM
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Re: Official Premier League ~ FA Cup ~ Carling Cup ~ Discussion Thread 08/09 Season
Scholes wasn't much to smile about last season I wouldn't say. Bearing in mind the sort of position he plays, I'd say Flamini's and Mascherano's were similar, and they were better.
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08-12-2008, 03:17 AM
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Nikki Cox Is Ugly
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Re: Official Premier League ~ FA Cup ~ Carling Cup ~ Discussion Thread 08/09 Season
Timmeh keeps it coming...
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Here's another four, starting with Terry's tears...
CHELSEA
I like Scolari. He has a funny face and uses his hands to emphasise everything. It's a good look.
What isn't a good look is a team that has players who don't know where their next manager is coming from and question marks about whether or not they still want to be there.
Of course, they still have an abundance of quality and it wouldn't surprise anyone if they won the league. There are too many five-star players to reel off – the squad is that rich of class and ability. However, as much as a league title win can be about squad depth, it's just as imperative to have consistency and starting XI stability. The competition in midfield will undoubtedly see new line-ups and formations unveiled week after week.
Keeping Lampard and Drogba is a huge deal. Against Liverpool in the Champions League semi-final, second leg, Drogba was unplayable. He looked like a world-beater. Unfortunately, his attitude and drive isn't always at that level and he can often go missing. A few bad games and his mind will start wondering off to Milan again. At least with Lampard you know what you're getting. I've been heavily critical of Lamps in the past, and I think it's because I've seen him outclassed so often by more technical central midfielders. However, the thought of him joining Inter this summer made me happy, and I realised that delight was because he does so much for Chelsea. His consistent goals return is irreplaceable and in hindsight it makes sense to laud him amongst the top ten central midfielders in world football.
Elsewhere you've got the artful Deco, a left-back in Ashley Cole for whom I expect a lot more this season, one of the best players in the world in Michael Essien and one of the top centre-back partnerships you'll see anywhere. All that married with the charm of Big Phil makes it hard to doubt them, but I'm still not sure.
KEY MAN: Michael Essien
ONE TO WATCH: Ashley Cole
ROUND FOOTBALL COLUMN VERDICT: The quest for Champions League revenge may hinder their Premier League push and their midfield is so competitive that they may never get a good run of stability together. Plus, Scolari will probably play his best player at right-back again!
PREDICTION: 3rd
EVERTON
Everton are always an example I use in the pub / office arguments of why I think La Liga is stronger than the Prem. Our league is always lauded because we have four of the best six or seven teams in Europe. However, I'm never entirely convinced by the rest of the league and Everton epitomises that. On their best day with a fully-fit squad they are a very useful outfit, but any sign of a problem and they look inadequate. Just think of them playing La Liga's fifth-placed side, Sevilla in a two legged tie. I would expect the Spaniards to win both legs.
Of course, I'm impressed with their consistency in the first two-thirds of last season and in Jagielka, Yobo, Lescott, Arteta, Osman and Cahill they have some useful players, but every time they played a really good team last season I was totally unimpressed.
As I write this they could be wrapping up deals for Joao Moutinho, Darren Bent and others, but I can only call it as I see it now and I'm not impressed.
KEY MAN: Tim Cahill
ONE TO WATCH: Jack Rodwell
ROUND FOOTBALL COLUMN VERDICT: I'm doing this too early, aren't I? Sods law means Moyes will undoubtedly buy two or three superb players and make them dark horses for a Champions League spot again! However, I can only call it as I see it now and I think they'll fade in the wake of stronger teams below them.
PREDICTION: 9th
FULHAM
In the 16-year history of the Premier League, there haven't been many stories more endearing than Fulham's escape from relegation last season. Everything about it was nothing short of spectacular.
Unfortunately, Roy Hodgson must stop patting himself on the back and get on with a new campaign. He's made some good free signings, but used the actual cash like a mad man. I'd be surprised if he didn't make their position a lot more comfortable, but the league is so competitive near the bottom this season that they probably still can't do any better than 13th.
I'll be interested to see how Zoltan Gera does, I'm fascinated to see if Andy Johnson is worth even half his transfer fee, and a full season of Jimmy Bullard goodness never hurts anyone, but at the end of the day it's still not going to be easy for them, is it?
KEY MAN: Jimmy Bullard
ONE TO WATCH: Zoltan Gera
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PREDICTION: 14th
HULL CITY
No way, no chance, no thanks.
I like Hull and that fat striker that got them here last May. Having said that, I'm a big fan of realism – realism is good. Not even a thousand moody Phil Brown stares is going to push them away from the inevitable this season.
It would have been really interesting if they kept Fraizer Campbell, but alas that can't happen and for that reason I see them occupying bottom spot. Fulham, Blackburn and Wigan is a very nice opening trilogy of games to entertain themselves, but after that it won't be as pleasant.
Look out for defender Michael Turner to turn some heads, but aside from that I see them struggling heavily.
KEY MAN: Michael Turner
ONE TO WATCH: Boaz Myhill
ROUND FOOTBALL COLUMN VERDICT: I think Phil Brown is a very interesting manager and their arrival in the Prem is a very "pleasant" story, but sometimes you've just got to be realistic and start preparing for a 2009/10 Championship campaign.
PREDICTION: 19th
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I'd like to see Chelsea finish 3rd..but I don't think it'll happen. Too good of a squad.
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08-12-2008, 03:39 AM
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Morning ****muscle!
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Re: Official Premier League ~ FA Cup ~ Carling Cup ~ Discussion Thread 08/09 Season
^ It's possible but yeah I don't think they will either.
Man City seem to be on the verge of a shambles, Thaksin you dirty mongrel.
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08-12-2008, 03:40 AM
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Re: Official Premier League ~ FA Cup ~ Carling Cup ~ Discussion Thread 08/09 Season
(sorry bout posting in wrong thread)
Will Man City just fade out of the Premier League?
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08-12-2008, 03:47 AM
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Re: Official Premier League ~ FA Cup ~ Carling Cup ~ Discussion Thread 08/09 Season
No, why would they? They won't be winning the title, but they certainly won't be going down.
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08-12-2008, 03:55 AM
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Nikki Cox Is Ugly
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Re: Official Premier League ~ FA Cup ~ Carling Cup ~ Discussion Thread 08/09 Season
Yeah, they are not getting relegated.
I really like Nery Castillo. I'll definitely keep tabs on him. Based off what I've seen of him for Mexico, and what my dad tells me from his Greek-league days...the kid is promising.
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08-12-2008, 06:44 AM
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Walk on, walk on, with hope, in your heart.
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Re: Official Premier League ~ FA Cup ~ Carling Cup ~ Discussion Thread 08/09 Season
Liverpools physio >>> Yours
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08-12-2008, 06:59 AM
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Re: Official Premier League ~ FA Cup ~ Carling Cup ~ Discussion Thread 08/09 Season
Agreed.
It's bullshit how it looks like our number of away fans will be delpleted this season. At Sunderland we're only allowed 2,400 for health and safety reasons instead of 3,000 due to our persistant standing there last season 
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When I go out on to the pitch, when I get my mind into playing mode, I forget about everything except winning. I will die to try and get my team a win." Javier Mascherano
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08-12-2008, 07:06 AM
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Walk on, walk on, with hope, in your heart.
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Re: Official Premier League ~ FA Cup ~ Carling Cup ~ Discussion Thread 08/09 Season
You going though?
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