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Originally Posted by phoenixnash

This could be the closest ROY race ever with 2 #1 draft pick going for it.

As much as I would like to see Oden win ROY, I think it will be Beasley. Beasley will be getting the stats for Miami IMO, while Oden will have more of an impact for the Blazers possibly helping us get into the playoffs. Oden's impact won't be that of stats, but his defense will be really huge for us. He will probably average like 12 ppg and 9 rpg or something like that, he is going to have his growing pains.

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Originally Posted by He Hate Me

What the hell are you talking about? 44% is a respectable FG% for a G. He had twenty 20+ games too. He got his numbers.

If you think the Wolves got the better deal you know nothing about basketball. And Mike Miller is an aging (average) player on a young team. And He'll be out Minnesota in two years.

If you tell me that any team that are willing to trade Love and Miller for OJ Mayo...i'll take that in a heartbeat. Who knows if Mayo will turn out to be a great guard. He could be a bust for all you know...with Love, you know what you are getting, a presence down low where the West is filled with talents. If he works harder and lose that body fat...I think he will be a decent player. Guys you dont expect to be decent forwards like Haslem and Al Jefferson have all good fundamentals, and that's what Love can bring in Minnesota.

Releasing overrated players like Walker and Jaric is like icing on a cake. Miller is a proven shooter and would contribute immediately than Mayo. I cant believe that you are criticizing McHale when this is the only good thing he has done in years. Getting quality players for a prospect. Miller's contract will make them a player in the best free agent market in 2010

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Originally Posted by He Hate Me

He still a great defender. 20 times better than Kevin Love, I can fucking guarantee you that.

OJ Mayo is a young prospect and a future All-Star who would have carried Minnesota. NBA Championships are won by All-Stars, not by guys like Mike Miller. Minnesota is many years away from competing for a playoff spot, the aging Mike Miller who apparently has the most value in this trade (LOL!) won't be around to see it, because he will be gone in two years.

The likelihood of Mayo being a bust is low. If you watched any of his games at USC you'd know that he's a lockdown defender with the ability to do just about anything (Pass, score, rebound). Kevin Love on the other hand is a slow, an awful defender who doesn't belong on Minnesota. They needed the perfect balance of having an outside threat long with the inside presence of Jefferson. They would have been insane good in a few years. Now they're lotto bound, and next year they'll probably screw it up again.

Yeah you better hope Miller contributes fast when he gets to Minnesota. Because he won't be around long to contribute. If you think I'm the only one criticizing McHale look around. McHale will McFail in 2010, don't you worry.

First, I still dont understand why you are so upset of not getting a guard who has not proven anything or won anything...and wasnt even in contention for the college player of the year. And please...dont say "GREAT" defender, he's not gonna be guarding 6'2 just running around and pass... he will be facing Kobe, AI, even Paul if he plays PG. Greatness is not a word that should be thrown around.

Second, after picking up young guards in the past like Brewer, Foye and Mccants who has proven to win in College and has yet to perform...what makes you think that Mayo wont be as good as those guys? The fact that you dont have enough guys protecting and working the paint...makes this trade a lot of sense.

Third, you said it yourself Miller wont be around in 2 years...then you should be freaking happy. Instead of watching the overweight bum Antoine Walker and combo-bum guard Jaric, you'll have at least a LEGIT outside threat, YES legit because you do know that is one area that Mayo needs to improve. And if it doesnt work...well you will have his contract off the books by 2010 instead of Jaric 3 year contract.

Oh and by the way...ALL STARS DONT WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS... DEFENSE DOES. Ask the Lakers of 2003-2004. Miller might not be your lockdown defender, but put him in a team like the Spurs...he will definitely help a team to win a title.

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Originally Posted by He Hate Me

So you're comparing Mayo to someone who plays a completely different position. Regardless, his FG% doesn't really matter, because it doesn't really prove ANYTHING. Just FYI, OJ Mayo had to carry the entire USC offense on his back AS A FRESHMAN. He HAD to jack up shots. He's still a great defender. 20 times better than Kevin Love, I can fucking guarantee you that.

OJ Mayo is a young prospect and a future All-Star who would have carried Minnesota. NBA Championships are won by All-Stars, not by guys like Mike Miller. Minnesota is many years away from competing for a playoff spot, the aging Mike Miller who apparently has the most value in this trade (LOL!) won't be around to see it, because he will be gone in two years.

The fact that nobody in Minnesota (except McHale) is happy should clue you in on how wrong you are.





The likelihood of Mayo being a bust is low. If you watched any of his games at USC you'd know that he's a lockdown defender with the ability to do just about anything (Pass, score, rebound). Kevin Love on the other hand is a slow, an awful defender who doesn't belong on Minnesota. They needed the perfect balance of having an outside threat long with the inside presence of Jefferson. They would have been insane good in a few years. Now they're lotto bound, and next year they'll probably screw it up again.

Yeah you better hope Miller contributes fast when he gets to Minnesota. Because he won't be around long to contribute. If you think I'm the only one criticizing McHale look around. McHale will McFail in 2010, don't you worry.

Kevin Durant played SG this year so will Mayo that is the same position. Also carry on his back? LMAO Jefferson was the best player on the team the last month of the season, and Gibson was way better last year because Mayo just jacks up shots and takes other players out of their game. Again you know nothing about basketball which is obvious. Retarded Minnesota fans would be upset about this trade because Mayo has been overhyped and proclaimed as the next big star since he was in fkn 7th grade. He may turn out to be a star, but when Millers contract expires and the Wolves are big players in free agency everyone will get off Mchales nuts.

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IS KOBE GAY???





Im not a Kobe hater...but these pictures just crack me up...LOL

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Originally Posted by He Hate Me

He proved himself enough to get drafted at number 3. College Player of the year means nothing. Look who won this year, Tyler Hansbrough, he'll be a 2nd round bench warmer in the NBA. And JJ Reddick two years ago. IT MEANS NOTHING. He's a great defender, bringing up the names of people he will be defending doesn't change the fact that he can defend. Can he defend Kobe? NO. But nobody can, but he'll do an efficient job.

None of the guys you mentioned were asked to carry their respective team on their backs for an entire season. Mayo had to.

Brewer had Joakim Noah and Al Horford.
Foye had Allen Ray, Mike Nardi, Kyle Lowry and Will Sheridan.
McCants had Sean May, Raymond Felton, and David Noel.

If Mayo had I'm sure his life would have been a lot easier in college. If Mayo had by his side his life would have been easier in college. If Mayo had by his side his life would have been a lot easier in college.

Defense plays a part in winning championships, but if you don't have offensive threats you're not going far. Look at the Houston Rockets. They're one of the best defensive teams in the NBA. But they got knocked out in the first round.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree with everything you say.

Well there was no argument that he is the third best talent in this draft which is the reason why he's picked third. But there is more to draft picks than just picking the best talent...it's about filling the needs of a team. That's why Bulls picked Rose That's why Heat was reluctant to get Beasley, because of Haslem, Marion and Wright there's a logjam at the forward position. But nobody took the bait. There were rumors that Miami wanted to switch picks with Memphis and probably get the same package (Miller etc) but Memphis didnt want to include Conley. That would be even worse than this deal...because Beasley is way better than Mayo now.

The Hawks management can show you the wrong way of doing the draft is pick up the best prospect when they picked Marvin Williams over Paul and Deron when they already picked a forward in Childress the year before (and passed up on Deng).

How many combo guards do you need to realize that its not the right direction? Filling up needs for one prospect is the right decision. With all the combo guards that Twolves has...who has very minimal trade value (medicore and low salary) adding another combo guard will not make this team better... Wolves improved on rebounding and shooting with this deal.

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Originally Posted by He Hate Me

and a PG past his prime.

Wait, who is this? They got Love, and the only other playar that mattered one bit in Mike Miller. Mike Miller is sniping SF/SG, not a PG....

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Originally Posted by He Hate Me

NBA Championships are won by All-Stars,

Woah woah woah...I skipped that whole body of text and saw this and couldn't believe it. NBA championships are won by TEAMS, not all-stars. People are under the impression that it takes one flashy player to win it all, and consistently this theory is proven wrong. This is because the NBA has became all about individuals since the Jordan Era, and not great teams. The Spurs and Celtics won the last two championships with team efforts. Pierce, Garnett and Allen all had to give up their all-star stats to win the championship.

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Originally Posted by He Hate Me

He proved himself enough to get drafted at number 3. College Player of the year means nothing. Look who won this year, Tyler Hansbrough, he'll be a 2nd round bench warmer in the NBA. And JJ Reddick two years ago. IT MEANS NOTHING. He's a great defender, bringing up the names of people he will be defending doesn't change the fact that he can defend. Can he defend Kobe? NO. But nobody can, but he'll do an efficient job.

None of the guys you mentioned were asked to carry their respective team on their backs for an entire season. Mayo had to.

Brewer had Joakim Noah and Al Horford.
Foye had Allen Ray, Mike Nardi, Kyle Lowry and Will Sheridan.
McCants had Sean May, Raymond Felton, and David Noel.

If Mayo had I'm sure his life would have been a lot easier in college. If Mayo had by his side his life would have been easier in college. If Mayo had by his side his life would have been a lot easier in college.

Defense plays a part in winning championships, but if you don't have offensive threats you're not going far. Look at the Houston Rockets. They're one of the best defensive teams in the NBA. But they got knocked out in the first round.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree with everything you say.




Mayo had to jack up shots. That was USC's only chance. Kevin Love is the definition of overhyped. He went 5th, LOLWTF! Anthony Randolph > Kevin Love. Randolph is going to be crazy good. Now you're admitting Mayo may be a star. I fucking love it. If McHale lasts that long, we'll see. But you can't trust him if you're a Minnesota fan. (Which I'm not, btw)

I don't respect your opinion, and I disagree with everything you say. If you post again saying you honestly think Minnesota got the better deal I'm going to ignore your post, because that's just plain dumb.

again its clear you know nothing about basketball. I refuse to argue with people this dumb.

You obviously didn't watch USC last year if you think Mayo had to carry his team. Again IF YOU WATCHED THE GAMES Jefferson was the best player on the team for the last month. Gibson was SO much better last year, and Mayo comes over with his shitty shooting percentage and ruins Gibson. Yea he really had to carry the team on his back.

You fell for the hype of Mayo. If you watched this guy play he is a gunner. Just like Iverson. Iverson KILLS his teams because he shoots to much. Mayo will do the same.

Like I said I am done arguing with Morons. Venge, and PhoenixNash know what they are talking about and you CLEARLY don't

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Originally Posted by He Hate Me

But you see the T-Wolves had a potential franchise player - and a very balanced team, now what do they have? A un-athletic big man who can't play defense, and a PG past his prime. The Mayo/Jefferson combo would have been deadly.

TBH I was more surprised that they didnt pick Brook Lopez... because its obvious what the wolves needed. But I guess he didnt have a good workout with teams which is why his stock dropped heavily and ended up in NJ. They were lucky to get this deal done without sending too much.