[Venge™]

Originally Posted by KiNgoFKiNgS23

Celtics please

Na IDK where but if he ever went to Orlando they would win like 5 or 6 rings together.

James would look good in a Blazers uniform......

Anyways, this has nothing to do with the playoffs, but I came across this joke and I couldn't stop laughing.

I really hope the Grizzlies draft Love and force him to be No 9 and make Gay be 6. Then that would be one of the greatest jokes of all time!

[TR1]

Ya, if Orlando hadn't thrown all that money away to Rashard Lewis, if LBJ becomes a FA they could offered a boatload of money as well as the oppurtunity to play with Dwight Howard. Just imagine that team, they would actually be unstoppable. 2 Supermen on the same team.

[Jboc15]

Originally Posted by KiNgoFKiNgS23

Yea I mean he has been the best player in the league for like the last 5 years and has all those rings to prove it...o wait no he doesn't

To say he is easily the best is hilarious.

Who cares how many rings he has. Last time I checked a ton of great players dont even have one. So that point is moot.

And for the record if I could have any player in any era, my first pick would be Magic with Kobe a close second.

[HoganKnowsBest]

Originally Posted by TR1

Ya, if Orlando hadn't thrown all that money away to Rashard Lewis, if LBJ becomes a FA they could offered a boatload of money as well as the oppurtunity to play with Dwight Howard. Just imagine that team, they would actually be unstoppable. 2 Supermen on the same team.

Dwight Howard was up for an extension. He could have opted out if they didn't start to build something around him.

[phoenixnash]

Originally Posted by KiNgoFKiNgS23

Please that was the argument when he first came in. Did you watch the series against Boston and Washington. He guarded Pierce and Butler extremely well in the Playoffs except for game 5(Washington series) and game 7(Celtics series). Also he already has improved on his jump shot. Lebron doesn't need a jump shot to dominate a game Kobe does that is the difference. Lebron averaged 30 points a game with a below average jump shot.

I would agree with you that Lebron improved his defense this year but still not up to par to Kobe's. Was he part of the all-defensive team?

Saying that Lebron doesnt need his jump shot to dominate the game is laughable, this is not the 1940s where he can outrun and outjump anyone. Lebron has to continously improve every facet of his game, whether he is in a bad team or not. No excuses! That's the mark of a great player...and penetration moves can only work if he is as young as he is now. Once he gets old or gets injured he would have to rely on his other skills. And driving to the hoop for 82 games excluding practices and playoffs can take a toll on your body. Ask Dwayne Wade... Lebron is improving that's good...he has to keep it up to remain on top.

People seem to compare players by the number of rings they have which is totally unfair. My choice for the best PF ever is Karl Malone, # 2 on my list as the best PG ever (its obvious who's first) is John Stockton, the best clutch shooter of all time is Reggie Miller (sorry West). All of them dont have rings.

And the interpretation that Kobe's 3 championship does not count because of Shaquille O'Neal is just ridiculous...look at the great champions and tell me which one does not have a great supporting cast. Take away Mchale, Parish, DJ, Havlicek, Cousy, do you think Celtics would have won those titles with Bird and Russell alone? Take away Worthy and Pippen and you could take half of the rings from Magic and MJ. Erving didnt have his until they acquired Moses Malone. Shaq has not won anything without a great guard, obviously Penny wasnt enough.

And please, even Duncan would tell you that he didnt do it in his own...his first season with a healthy admiral and Rodman they lost to Malone's Jazz. Their first title came from the lockout season and NBA didnt start until after the all-star break. The Lakers swept the Spurs in 2001 and 4-1 in 2002...The Spurs won the following year which is when they got Manu and Parker. So much for dominance.

Not saying Duncan is not great...I think he is the smartest big man I've ever seen...but if I think of best...he has to be complete, no weakness, a person who can do anything, anytime, anywhere...which is why MJ and Kobe and Lebron are my top 3.

[BM84]

LeBron James being named the third greatest basketball player in NBA history is absolute, complete, and utter nonsense.

I would hope to think that the third greatest player of all-time surely would have won the championship at least once in his sport. As of today, LeBron James still has zero rings.

Meanwhile, Dwayne Wade already has a championship ring and (when healthy) I'd take ten times over LeBron James. Why? Because Wade has more heart and determination to win than LeBron James ever will. Wade carried a lame Heat supporting cast and a crippled Shaq to an NBA Championship--where LeBron James lead his team to the finals only to get swept, and swept badly.

It's simply mind boggling how many people have forgot about Dwayne Wade.

I would also take Allen Iverson in his prime over LeBron James as well. Iverson carried his team to the finals--and unlike LeBron James, at least won a game against far superior competition. Iverson also has more heart and passion to win in his index finger than LeBron James has in his entire body.

Not to crap all over LeBron James, because he absolutely has talent and could win championships if he really wants to, but that's the entire point. James is notoriously known for being a slacker by taking plays and games off. Whereas guys like Jordan and Iverson have brought it to every single game they have ever played in--those qualities are not automatically found in every great talent, as noted currently in LeBron James.

[DDMac]

Doc J thinks Kobe is the best around. Ratings.

[phoenixnash]

Originally Posted by BM84

I would hope to think that the third greatest player of all-time surely would have won the championship at least once in his sport. As of today, LeBron James still has zero rings.

Meanwhile, Dwayne Wade already has a championship ring and (when healthy) I'd take ten times over LeBron James. Why? Because Wade has more heart and determination to win than LeBron James ever will. Wade carried a lame Heat supporting cast and a crippled Shaq to an NBA Championship--where LeBron James lead his team to the finals only to get swept, and swept badly.

It's simply mind boggling how many people have forgot about Dwayne Wade.

Not to crap all over LeBron James, because he absolutely has talent and could win championships if he really wants to, but that's the entire point. James is notoriously known for being a slacker by taking plays and games off. Whereas guys like Jordan and Iverson have brought it to every single game they have ever played in--those qualities are not automatically found in every great talent, as noted currently in LeBron James.

I understand your point on lack of desire...but I would say it more lack or urgency. People always forget how young Lebron is and for his young age he has done quite well and shown maturity. But let's not get exaggerated of Miami Heat. That team was a one hit wonder. The team was built to win that year. You cant say that Lebron lacks heart to win a title. It takes a lot more than that. Kevin Garnett has the biggest heart even more than AI and MJ and yet has not won a title. It takes a good supporting cast and a little bit of luck to get it.

As for Wade, I think Lebron got the better of him in the last 2 years, where Lebron made at least ECF and Wade got eliminated by the Bulls on their first round during their title defense.

[BM84]

Originally Posted by phoenixnash

I understand your point on lack of desire...but I would say it more lack or urgency. People always forget how young Lebron is and for his young age he has done quite well and shown maturity. But let's not get exaggerated of Miami Heat. That team was a one hit wonder. The team was built to win that year. You cant say that Lebron lacks heart to win a title. It takes a lot more than that. Kevin Garnett has the biggest heart even more than AI and MJ and yet has not won a title. It takes a good supporting cast and a little bit of luck to get it.

As for Wade, I think Lebron got the better of him in the last 2 years, where Lebron made at least ECF and Wade got eliminated by the Bulls on their first round during their title defense.

One-hit wonders or not is irrelevant. That team still won an NBA Championship with Dwayne Wade, a bunch of scrubs, and a crippled Shaquille O'Neal.

It was obvious exactly how difficult that was because the last two seasons have been disastrous for the Miami Heat--but Dwayne Wade is at absolutely no fault for that. He was nowhere near 100% in the series against Chicago and this past season the Miami Heat organization cleaned house to the lowest point any organization can go.

LeBron James may or may not have the heart to win a title, but he isn't showing signs of what it takes to be a champion. Coasting and taking play's off is not championship caliber, nor is his concerning himself to become the first billion dollar athlete.

[phoenixnash]

Speaking of Wade, its interesting how his name is being mentioned on a trade with the Bulls that involve switching picks. I will not if Miami would pull this off. They need to get more help and not rely on 1 guy who's injury prone. The only difficult part on this is the Bulls have to release more players to match the salary. For Wade alone they needed to unload 3 players much more if they trade for Marion.

I guess theres a downside on having good payroll, but the Bulls have all the bullets now to make a trade. I would guess the first 2 to go would be Deng and Gordon because of their expiring contracts.