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**Killswitch** · 05-19-2008, 04:23 PM

If the Pistons win one game away, do you guys think that'll be it for Boston?

**DDMac** · 05-19-2008, 04:35 PM

Yep yep. If you can't beat Atlanta or Cleveland on the road in the playoffs, no way you can take the Pistons.

**KingCrash** · 05-19-2008, 04:50 PM

Definitely, especially if the Pistons win Game 1. All the pressure would be on Boston to win and they haven't shown they can deal with it against a good team like the Pistons. The only advantage Boston would have is that the Pistons tend to let their opponents back in when they have them down.

**Venge™** · 05-19-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by phoenixnash

LOL. Random hypotheticals? You keep going back in circles saying that Kobe hasn’t won it without Shaq, now he has Gasol, Bynum…bla bla bla. Take that argument out and just focused on 2 players head to head. Yes TD has 2 MVPs to Kobe’s 1…but MVP is given to best regular season team. How many scoring records have Duncan broken? How many scoring titles did he won? He’s good at rebounding, did he ever win the rebound title? He’s won defensive player of the year once…big deal when you have that quickness and height. Kobe has to jump over people to block and rebound.

YOU CAN GO BACK TO HISTORY AND FIND OUT THAT NOBODY IN THIS LEAGUE CANT DO IT ON HIS OWN TO WIN A TITLE… NOT EVEN KOBE, LEBRON OR DUNCAN. But being the best player is more than just numbers and titles…its about being the toughest guy to defend, a player with no weakness. Duncan is smart and skilled…BUT can he hit 3 pointers, can he blow by a defender off the dribble, can he even go 80% on the FT line? Now let me ask you…what is Kobe’s weakness? If you know that answer…you might wanna share that to Bowen and Bell, because as good as they are they have not figured him out. You have not even answered my 1st question on who would you want to have the ball in the last second Duncan or Kobe? Face it… its tough to swallow bec you are a Kobe hater and in the next 2-3 years you will hate him more…because like it or not, he will be more dominant and will win more awards and titles because the Lakers are serious contenders again… the Spurs however have reached its peak and will start to decline.

Wow, do you know how ridiculous you sound?

I love how you contradict yourself, talking about how numbers and championships don't count. Then you talk about how Duncan is worse than Kobe because he's never put up the numbers. It's great how you blow up Kobe's acomplishments, but then act as if Duncan's acomplishments don't mean anything.

And the Heat were bad champions. But just because they have a couple old players does not qualify their team to be "old".

**Burn™** · 05-19-2008, 05:23 PM

Spurs - 91
Hornets - 93

KiNgoFKiNgS23 · 05-19-2008, 05:32 PM

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Are you kidding me? He won championships with one of the greatest centers of ALL-TIME, and two of the best players in the game today. If that's what you mean by 'anyone' then sure.

You do realize that David Robinson broke his foot the year before Duncan came in and never was the same player. Robinson was still a good player in 99, but wasn't nearly as good as he once was. Also in the 2003 championship season Robinson averaged 8 points and piggy backed Duncan to another ring. Two of the best players in the league today? Neither of them would be in the top 20 if you were picking players. I wouldn't call that two of the leagues best. Both are good players, but to say they are two of the leagues best players is a stretch.

**DDMac** · 05-19-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KiNgoFKiNgS23

You do realize that David Robinson broke his foot the year before Duncan came in and never was the same player. Robinson was still a good player in 99, but wasn't nearly as good as he once was. Also in the 2003 championship season Robinson averaged 8 points and piggy backed Duncan to another ring. Two of the best players in the league today? Neither of them would be in the top 20 if you were picking players. I wouldn't call that two of the leagues best. Both are good players, but to say they are two of the leagues best players is a stretch.

They had Parker and Ginobli for that season, quite frankly. Parker, especially, was effective. And yes, I'd consider them both to be top 20. Considering Ginobli was named to the All NBA Third Team this year, I doubt I'm the only one.

KiNgoFKiNgS23 · 05-19-2008, 06:07 PM

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They had Parker and Ginobli for that season, quite frankly. Parker, especially, was effective. And yes, I'd consider them both to be top 20. Considering Ginobli was named to the All NBA Third Team this year, I doubt I'm the only one.

Yea Parker was effective which is why he often didn't play down the stretch of playoff games right? He barely shot 40% during the playoffs that year. Ginobili didn't even average ten points during the playoffs.

Yea they pick by positions for NBA 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams. They don't pick the top 15 players in the league.

Duncan, Lebron, Kobe, Paul, Wade, Nash, Amare, Dirk, Bosh, Howard, Arenas, Butler, Garnett, Pierce, Roy, D. Williams, Kidd, Boozer, Carmelo, Iverson, D. West, Yao, Mcgrady, Redd, Jamison, Brand, Chauncey, and Marion are all better players than Parker, and Ginobili.

phoenixnash · 05-19-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Venge™

Wow, do you know how ridiculous you sound?

I love how you contradict yourself, talking about how numbers and championships don't count. Then you talk about how Duncan is worse than Kobe because he's never put up the numbers. It's great how you blow up Kobe's acomplishments, but then act as if Duncan's acomplishments don't mean anything.

And the Heat were bad champions. But just because they have a couple old players does not qualify their team to be "old".

Like I said no matter what i say about Kobe, it will always sound ridiculous to a naive person like you. So this would be the last time I am going to speak about this stupid argument of Duncan vs Kobe.

1. I am not discounting championships, but I am not overempahsizing on it either. If we based it on the number of rings, then Bill Russell should be the greatest of all time not Jordan. Duncan had 4 but never won back to back, while Kobe won 3 straight.I dont care about your Shaq excuse...they both needed each other just like TD needed Robinson, Parker, that won 2 of the 4 Spurs Finals MVP.

2. I never discounted TD's accomplishments... I say he would go down as the most accomplished players ever, but never the greatest. He's not even the greatest big man to ever play...you put Wilt, Kareem, Bird and Shaq ahead of him...much more to be compared to MJ who has the #1 spot. Kobe has often been compared to MJ and is on track to beat these guys scoring stats.

3. When you mention the name Tim Duncan, the first thing that comes out is consistency or fundamentally sound, not unstoppable, unguardable, dominant.

4. Kobe has always been a victim of double standard. People like you are the reason why Kobe hasnt won MVP until this year. People jump on his every mistake, yet you dont hear Lebron or AI (Sixers) being called a ballhog even when they take 75% of the team's shots, but when Kobe scored 81 to come from behind, he's a ballhog. When he passed the ball against the suns series, he gave up on his team. People dont think Melo is a bad person when he's caught DUI for a number of times and Kobe had a consentual sex and he's a criminal. Kobe was not a good teammate when he was demanding for a trade, when most of the unhappy superstars does it. Then Shaq took shots on lowly Ricky Davis and Quinn after getting traded...and people find him reasonable. He matured a lot this season and played well and people still talk about offseason...give the guy a break! He's not gonna lick your a$$ to get your sympathy, he shows it in the court.

5. After all that's been said, take away all the accomplishments, individual or team... stat for stat, ability, skill, range...who do you think can do it all? Or simply who is that guy you pick to beat the CPU one on one on NBA Live? - If you answer is still Tim Duncan - then you clearly lost your mind and I cant do anything about it.

Oh and for the other dude that said he would consider picking Lebron over Kobe to take the last shot...then good luck...you hope it would be a dunk and he wont get fouled, otherwise he's not gonna make it. He's not yet there...not saying he wont be...but not yet.

Enough said about this...I hope for a Spurs and Lakers WCF.

phoenixnash · 05-19-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KiNgoFKiNgS23

Duncan, Lebron, Kobe, Paul, Wade, Nash, Amare, Dirk, Bosh, Howard, Arenas, Butler, Garnett, Pierce, Roy, D. Williams, Kidd, Boozer, Carmelo, Iverson, D. West, Yao, Mcgrady, Redd, Jamison, Brand, Chauncey, and Marion are all better players than Parker, and Ginobili.

Parker and Ginobili are the most underrated players in the league because of their role with the Spurs. But I would take those 2 anytime over Butler, Roy, Kidd, Redd, Marion. Just because those guys score more points, doesnt mean they're better...its because that is their role in their team. Watch Parker and Ginobili play for their country in the international games and you'll appreciate their ability to take over a game.