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Couldn't change the thread title so here's a new thread.
 
#3,732 ·
Brady the GOAT :drose

What an ending. Brady leading them to the win against the unbeatable and ELITE Seahawks D. Down by 10 and still come back to win it :mj2.

Butler should eat for free for the rest of his life with that play. After that crazy amazing catch I texted my cousin and said it's over. When that pick happened I screamed Oh my god for about 10 minutes :wall


Pats were done after getting stomped by the Chiefs. They were weak, not good anymore, Brady was done and they are now Super Bowl champs.
 
#3,737 ·
^this is the type of stuff we'll always have to hear now because carroll fucked up.


ignore the fact that edelman had huge returns on punts, that both him and danny were making most of the plays AFTER THE CATCH.

ignore the fact they lost lane and that's the guy that kept getting beat or the person that lane was supposed to be covering.

ignore avril's concussion, ruining their rush.

the defense wasn't healthy at the end and you could see it hurt them. not saying it's any less impressive coming back on them, but it's not like they were 100% whatsoever.
 
#3,866 ·
udfk said:
so wilson>luck, hands down, no argument right? all that post-season success, so much postseason accomplishment, that's the be and end all.


eli>brady too, right?


marino is garbage.


etc etc.


he's been the most successful of this era, success does not equal skill or talent. you people are seriously short-sighted, you included, for not realizing this. pats don't win this game if the defense gives up a TD every drive, which is exactly what happened to the broncos last year as they got anal raped. pats don't win the game if lynch gets a carry, does the blame suddenly fall entirely on brady's shoulders because his team came up short?

The Pats have the GOAT coach with a consistently great supporting cast around Brady, you plug Peyton in those early 2000 Pat teams and he suddenly has 3 rings too(as Brady wasn't exactly killing the opposing teams back then nor doing anything particularly spectacular). Wilson was yards away from having his second championship in his first 3 years, put Luck on the same team and the same thing likely happens. Name any other position that gets judged on how many superbowls they won and tell me why the QB position is literally any different. Do you think Barry Sanders is garbage, mr? He has no superbowls, hell he never even got that far.


You guys have very thick headed arguments. Explain to me what Brady did that was amazing this game? Was it the fact he targetted the replacement corner over and over again on short yardage passes where his receivers made plays by breaking tackles and gaining YAC? Was it the fact he then targeted Gronk when they had switch up their defense to account for the replacement and had Kam on Gronk? There's nothing special about that, when Brady was pressured he didn't throw well, when Brady didn't have time he threw picks, and before Avril got hurt the Pats offense wasn't even moving. Edelman was the MVP for the team and Brady got handed the MVP because he's Brady, there was nothing GOAT about his performance except that he remained poised during the comeback.
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How mad are you? Brady threw 4 TDs against what you say is the GOAT secondary. Did you know Sherman missed tackles and Earl Thomas, who I love, was beat for a TD? Did you know Brady set the Super Bowl record for completions in one game?

lol you calling anyone thick headed. You're just pissed at the perception that Brady has elevated past Manning. You need to let go of some of your pettiness. Poise is part of what makes a performance great. Yeah Brady mainly dinked and dunked, but this was the gameplan. You still need to be aware of who is open. Brady consistently and relentlessly saw the open man. I don't know if McDaniels is getting credit for this gameplan, but he really should. Brady executed this gameplan really well. The gameplan and the execution were enough to win this game. Even if the Seahawks score, which they totally should have, Brady and the offense did enough to win that game.

Brady did something Manning couldn't. He and his team beat Seattle.

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#649 ·
That win last night though :brady2

Insanely happy with how we played on both sides of the ball. Brady has been ridiculous since that KC game. No idea how we generated that much pressure without Chandler, Ayers seems to have been a solid pickup. Still think Denver will get the #1 seed since the Pats schedule is pretty rough. Also Miami need to lose a few games so I can stop worrying about them actually being a threat.
 
#652 ·
I think Denver gets the 1 seed as well. The only game I could see them losing is the KC road game.

Brady has been near perfect. That INT wasn't even on him last night, it was tipped by a defender and then Amendola tipped it again, right to a Broncos defender.
 
#2,481 · (Edited)
Also Dallas bought all those other close games the past few years and won multiple Super Bowls.

It's ok if you're joking about conspiracies, but if you're serious...hello everyone.

Whether it's PI or not does matter, but Detroit had multiple chances before and after that play. This was a close hard fought game. Someone has to lose. Fortunately for me it wasn't Dallas. I'm fine with people being mad. NFL/sports can be rage inducing. I'm fine with it being magnified because it's Dallas. They're a polarizing team. It's just too bad that one play overshadows the battle that was that game.
 
#2,488 · (Edited)
Also Dallas bought all those other close games the past few years and won multiple Super Bowls.

It's ok if you're joking about conspiracies, but if you're serious...hello everyone.

Whether it's PI or not does matter, but Detroit had multiple chances before and after that play. This was a close hard fought game. Someone has to lose. Fortunately for me it wasn't Dallas. I'm fine with people being mad. NFL/sports can be rage inducing. I'm fine with it being magnified because it's Dallas. They're a polarizing team. It's just too bad that one play overshadows the battle that was that game.
the fact it is a battle is why people are upset, it completely ruined the game.

as far as chances go, they had a chance to stop the cowboys after they started on midfield due to that penalty, which is hardly fair. And ya that punt never happens without the penalty either. They also did stop them, but after stopping them twice they were once again screwed by PIs which gave the cowboys first downs after they failed on third downs, ones that could also have not been called. then there's that dez play where he blatantly walks onto the field without a helmet, that's a 15 year penalty as well and another game changer. it wasn't one play either nor just one call. after that one call just about every other call went in dallas's favour as well and they weren't pretty.

no one is denying credit to both teams for fighting hard, it's just that no one is going to give dallas credit for a win that most don't think they rightfully earned. not saying it couldn't have happened either way, it just certainly wouldn't have happened that way.
 
#2,641 ·
GO PACK GO :dance GO PACK GO :dance

:rodgers2 :mark:
 
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#3,844 · (Edited)
Montana ran the gauntlet of New York, Washington, and Chicago. These were incredibly tough teams. It cannot be overstated how incredibly good and dominant the NFC was in the 80s and early 90s. There is no equivalent in this era.

Go look at the champions from 81 to 91. Guess which teams teams won all those Super Bowls. Ok the Raiders snuck one in:side:

I've also already gone off how it's difficult to compare QBs between eras. Brady is the best of this era. I don't think there's an argument anymore. Even if NE had lost this game, I think it'd still be Brady for the record.
 
#3,848 · (Edited)
^this guy actually thinks brady was supermanning the dynasty. this is why i didnt want the pats to win, it's unbearable how you guys form your arguments.

Montana ran the gauntlet of New York, Washington, and Chicago. These were incredibly tough teams. It cannot be overstated how incredibly good and dominant the NFC was in the 80s and early 90s. There is no equivalent in this era.

Go look at the champions from 81 to 91. Guess which teams teams won all those Super Bowls. Ok the Raiders snuck one in:side:

I've also already gone off how it's difficult to compare QBs between eras. Brady is the best of this era. I don't think there's an argument anymore. Even if NE had lost this game, I think it'd still be Brady for the record.
so wilson>luck, hands down, no argument right? all that post-season success, so much postseason accomplishment, that's the be and end all.


eli>brady too, right?


marino is garbage.


etc etc.


he's been the most successful of this era, success does not equal skill or talent. you people are seriously short-sighted, you included, for not realizing this. pats don't win this game if the defense gives up a TD every drive, which is exactly what happened to the broncos last year as they got anal raped. pats don't win the game if lynch gets a carry, does the blame suddenly fall entirely on brady's shoulders because his team came up short?

The Pats have the GOAT coach with a consistently great supporting cast around Brady, you plug Peyton in those early 2000 Pat teams and he suddenly has 3 rings too(as Brady wasn't exactly killing the opposing teams back then nor doing anything particularly spectacular). Wilson was yards away from having his second championship in his first 3 years, put Luck on the same team and the same thing likely happens. Name any other position that gets judged on how many superbowls they won and tell me why the QB position is literally any different. Do you think Barry Sanders is garbage, mr? He has no superbowls, hell he never even got that far.


You guys have very thick headed arguments. Explain to me what Brady did that was amazing this game? Was it the fact he targetted the replacement corner over and over again on short yardage passes where his receivers made plays by breaking tackles and gaining YAC? Was it the fact he then targeted Gronk when they had switch up their defense to account for the replacement and had Kam on Gronk? There's nothing special about that, when Brady was pressured he didn't throw well, when Brady didn't have time he threw picks, and before Avril got hurt the Pats offense wasn't even moving. Edelman was the MVP for the team and Brady got handed the MVP because he's Brady, there was nothing GOAT about his performance except that he remained poised during the comeback.
 
#231 ·
re: NFL Week 8: Five Hundred Nine TDs

I'm not really sure he has 4 WRs that would be #1 receivers on most teams. Peyton's receivers have always been a product of him. Sure he's had a few great wide receivers but he's made guys look a whole lot better than they are as well.
 
#232 ·
re: NFL Week 8: Five Hundred Nine TDs

I'm not really sure he has 4 WRs that would be #1 receivers on most teams. Peyton's receivers have always been a product of him. Sure he's had a few great wide receivers but he's made guys look a whole lot better than they are as well.
He does make them look better for sure, but they're all very good.

Thomas was eventually going to be great. I remember him developing in 2011 and that big game in the playoffs. He was picked ahead of Dez.

Welker we all know is very good.

Julius is the one guy we don't know for sure. I think he is a product of great wr's around him leaving him so wide open, and peyton. But the fact is that he is left wide open most games because there are too many guys to cover.

Sanders was good in Pittsburgh with an inept OC. I think he is the 2nd best guy they have. Dude is a baller.


Peyton had Harrison, Wayne in Indy. Both HoF'ers. Dallas Clark as well was terrific. At the end he had Garcon who is doign well with bad qbs in WSH.


Peyton makes them all better, but he has consistently had the weapons. There is no way in hell he would be raking the way he has been if he was throwing it to weapons like Brady has had for the last few years.
 
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