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Old 10-06-2012, 07:29 AM   #321 (permalink)
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Meaningless? Yes, a tradition of over 130 years is meaningless. Forz the crash and bash gimmick format~!~!
History does not make it meaningful, especially when the form is dying. When nobody other than the two countries care about, it is about as meaningless as it can be. Maybe it was meaningful 130 years back when only two countries were playing cricket

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the MCG attracted over 80,000 for Day 1, and then 65,000+ for Days 2 and 3, way more than T20 could ever hope to attract. Inept troll.
A simple league IPL match gets the stadium over 80% full and an IPL final is sold completely ( in a 90,000 stadium). Heck, even a post IPL celebration got more than 50k crowd. While you need a marquee match on a holiday to fill up your test stands.

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Face it, Darth, you're just bitterly jealous that India does not have a rivalry on par with the Ashes and no amount of crash and bash success can make up for it.
Heh, India vs Pakistan is the best rivalry in cricket today, among the meaningless bilateral ones. You are just frustrated that the status from 130 years was has been changed to the current subcontinent rivalry.

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The attendance patterns have reflected it in every touring party that test matches are more attended than the ODIs and T20's. That's the same for England, South Africa, Sri Lanka and New Zealand
Again, I am talking about the world. Not a single region.
When you consider the world statistics, T20 crowd whoops the test crowd.

Are you seriously saying that Sri Lanka and New Zealand have more crowd for T20 than tests?
What a delusional post. Did you even see the recent SL vs Pak test series which were played in empty grounds? Even in South Africa you get more or less full stadium fro T20 events, making it similar to test there. Which means that it is only AUs and Eng where there are test crowd and are hardly majority as far as world cricket is concerned.

Hey look ! Look at the big sporting events in South Africa
http://www.southafrica.info/about/sp...m#.UHAg2ZjMhRw

I see World Cup. I see World T20. I see champions Trophy. I even see IPL ! Where is any mention of a test match?

Also, research some more. One of the highest crowd in South Africa was for the T20 match between India and SA - 47,000 - as much as the average crowd for FIFA World Cup in SA
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/9352126.stm


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Mohali is quite a way for people to get to in that area. The popular grounds like Banglalore, Mumbai, Kolkata all love test cricket and will always attend, and in large numbers.
Haha, test matches are held usually in large cities.
This was Kolkatta in the last test match played there
http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...historic-venue

"Eden Gardens looks like a morgue, tweets Tony Greig"

Bangalore gets more crowd with $30 tickets for T20 than a test match with $2 tickets.

Next time, do better research than posting delusional assumptions in an argument
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:10 AM   #322 (permalink)
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History does not make it meaningful, especially when the form is dying. When nobody other than the two countries care about, it is about as meaningless as it can be. Maybe it was meaningful 130 years back when only two countries were playing cricket

A simple league IPL match gets the stadium over 80% full and an IPL final is sold completely ( in a 90,000 stadium). Heck, even a post IPL celebration got more than 50k crowd. While you need a marquee match on a holiday to fill up your test stands.

Heh, India vs Pakistan is the best rivalry in cricket today, among the meaningless bilateral ones. You are just frustrated that the status from 130 years was has been changed to the current subcontinent rivalry.

Again, I am talking about the world. Not a single region.
When you consider the world statistics, T20 crowd whoops the test crowd.

Are you seriously saying that Sri Lanka and New Zealand have more crowd for T20 than tests?
What a delusional post. Did you even see the recent SL vs Pak test series which were played in empty grounds? Even in South Africa you get more or less full stadium fro T20 events, making it similar to test there. Which means that it is only AUs and Eng where there are test crowd and are hardly majority as far as world cricket is concerned.

Hey look ! Look at the big sporting events in South Africa
http://www.southafrica.info/about/sp...m#.UHAg2ZjMhRw

I see World Cup. I see World T20. I see champions Trophy. I even see IPL ! Where is any mention of a test match?

Also, research some more. One of the highest crowd in South Africa was for the T20 match between India and SA - 47,000 - as much as the average crowd for FIFA World Cup in SA
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/9352126.stm

Haha, test matches are held usually in large cities.
This was Kolkatta in the last test match played there
http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...historic-venue

"Eden Gardens looks like a morgue, tweets Tony Greig"

Bangalore gets more crowd with $30 tickets for T20 than a test match with $2 tickets.

Next time, do better research than posting delusional assumptions in an argument
tests are not dying, stop deluding yourself. The crowd figures I've posted for the 2010/11 Ashes series, and subsequent figures of other touring parties supports this. However, you just dismiss it with your asinine logic.

clutching at straws are we? The Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane tests are nowhere near any holidays, and the Sydney test is post-New Year's. Boxing Day is the only day we play on a 'holiday' and the following days only lose around 10,000 supporters or so who pack the stands to watch the amazing game before them.

India vs Pakistan is not even close to being a major rivalry. England vs Australia is the most significant, most acclaimed rivalry in world cricket. Exchanging ODI and T20 tournaments between India and Pakistan will never amount to anything close to the England/Australia rivalry. But hey, it's not just our rivalry with England. Our rivalry with New Zealand is great. Our rivalry with South Africa is great. The England/South Africa rivalry is great.

New Zealand, definitely. Their test attendance rate is higher than their T20 and ODI's combined. Sri Lanka vs Pakistan, exactly. Nobody turns up to watch Pakistan. Sri Lanka had great attendance when Australia toured, and when England toured. I guess people just turn up to watch the quality teams

Your site is useless because it provides lists of tournaments held in the country. It doesn't list individual matches on it, so great failing there. Had it done so, then attendances at Super Rugby games would blow all figures out of the ball park.

They played the T20 in a football stadium, not a test venue such as Kingsmead. Had the Australia/South Africa test been played at Moses Mabhida Stadium, rather than Kingsmead, there would have been an even greater crowd attending the test. All South African test venues are close to a sell out for the first 3 days of play (that's an average of 22,000 fans per day). I am sure they would attract more fans if the capacity of the grounds were to be higher.

Again, nobody would bother to watch the West Indies tour these days. They don't have any resemblance to a quality test side and are easily rolled through. Heck, Bangladesh beat them in a series in the Windies. When quality opposition tour, then your argument can have merit. It does not. When England tour, you'll see games being attended.

T20 is scheduled in the evening, when the working class don't need to work. They aren't scheduled for a Monday morning. It's time you lifted the veil and woke up to the facts, Darth. Test cricket is the supreme format - it always has been, it always will be. Sure, some players are looking to take time off to make a hefty pay packet from the new format that's going to have its bubble burst soon enough. However, the core of the playing roster, and the majority of real cricket fans, understand and recognise that tests are the greater format and truly exhibit a cricketing contest.
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tests are not dying, stop deluding yourself. The crowd figures I've posted for the 2010/11 Ashes series, and subsequent figures of other touring parties supports this. However, you just dismiss it with your asinine logic.
The empty stadiums in most tests in almost all the countries except Aus, Eng and SA shows the same thing. T20 and ODIs run crowded in these same countries. All you said was a meaningless bilateral series figures, which

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clutching at straws are we? The Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane tests are nowhere near any holidays, and the Sydney test is post-New Year's.
Those tests had an average of 30-40k which even a minor IPL league game gets Nothing extraordinary.

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India vs Pakistan is not even close to being a major rivalry. England vs Australia is the most significant, most acclaimed rivalry in world cricket
Really? Eng/AUs rivalry has nothing as compared to the INd/Pak rivalry. The tension, excitement, entertainment far exceeds that of Aus/Eng. Even the whole world acknowledges that.

"Australian umpire Simon Taufel, who is set to stand in his final international game during Sunday's ICC World T20 final, termed the 2011 World Cup semifinal between India versus Pakistan as the "most exciting match" of his career."

Yopu might have good rivalries, not denying that but it never exceeds that of ind/Pak encounter.



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New Zealand, definitely. Their test attendance rate is higher than their T20 and ODI's combined. Sri Lanka vs Pakistan, exactly. Nobody turns up to watch Pakistan. Sri Lanka had great attendance when Australia toured, and when England toured.
Wrong again. No proof, just delusional assumptions.

Case in point. NZ vs SA in Wellington. All reports of the 3rd test shows "sparse crowds", small crowd" etc
http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zeal...ry/558897.html

Whereas the NZ vs SA T20 match in Wellington got nearly 18k crowd (high in NZ)
http://westpacstadium.co.nz/2012/

Oh, and the same way, SL vs Pak ODI and T20 matches had much higher crowd figures than tests.

What all these show is that very few care for tests in these countries.



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They played the T20 in a football stadium, not a test venue such as Kingsmead. Had the Australia/South Africa test been played at Moses Mabhida Stadium, rather than Kingsmead, there would have been an even greater crowd attending the test.
The whole reason why Kingsmead was dropped as a Boxing Day test venue this year is because of low crowd attendance And, this was clearly said by CEO as one of the reasons why they dropped the test. In the same city of Durban, there were at least 47,000 attendance (whether it was held in a football stadium or not is irrelevant). Clearly, another delusional assumption that SA prefers test cricket.

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Again, nobody would bother to watch the West Indies tour these days. They don't have any resemblance to a quality test side and are easily rolled through.
Ind vs WI ODI series in the same tour ran full houses
It is not West Indies that was the culprit but that it was a test

Oh, and WI performed better in the test series than the ODI series

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T20 is scheduled in the evening, when the working class don't need to work. They aren't scheduled for a Monday morning.
Most of the popular sports around the world is designed this way. Soccer, tennis, NBA, NFL - you name it. Which is also one of the reasons why cricket will soon be defined by the T20 format.

No, test is not supreme but just another form of cricket. It just require a different skill set as compared to T20 or ODI. Nothing else.

T20 cricket is more entertaining and exciting, whereas test is mostly a boring format that is fast losing popularity, as seen by the above examples. T20 is spreading cricket around the world and making it a global sport, rather than in a handful of countries. Of course, it will take some time for other countries to become competitive.

Majority of cricket fans prefer T20 and it is more fun seeing a game played in a full stadium than on empty, dead grounds. These are the facts rather than delusional assumptions that you are making in trying to project test cricket as a definition of cricket. Those who try to think that test is a superior format are just a minority among cricket fans.
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I blame ICC for not expanding test cricket. No wonder it's dying, people are sick of 10 nations playing each other over and over again.
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sXe can you stop posting to Darth so i can stop seeing his utterly retarded musings about a completely useless format in t20 and his laughable views on world cricket. Everyone knows he's a fucking joke, just let him post his garbage and get ignored. He's a complete dribbler, just stop quoting that shite.
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all top teams have pretty good rivalries with each other. Eng vs Aus has to be the most historic pure cricketing rivalry, India v Pak is big because of 3 wars and the fact the retards spew their jingoistic nonsense every time a match goes on, which pisses me off, since it highlights an underlying, dangerous hatred between two nations with undertones of religious and cultural superiority. They try to mask it as a healthy rivalry, but it isnt.

My favorite cricketing rivalry is India vs Australia, not pandering to anyone here, the sheer quality of cricket in the 2000's between the two teams, especially from 2001-2005 was something else. Guys like Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman only made their name due to the quality of bowling they faced from the ATG Aus bowling attack.

Gilchrist in '04. (the series in '04 was extraordinary, iirc Steve Waugh retired at the SCG)

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"The reality of this series is the extraordinary Indian batting," Langer said, "there is a lot we can learn from them. They look so patient, as if they are in a meditative state. It's awesome the way they apply themselves. I can't remember being under pressure in this manner - the pressure to bowl against them, field against them, and to chase huge scores.

"I can't remember in my career playing a team (like them). It's a credit to them that they have been able to play like that in these conditions."
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Sad to see such an exciting rivalry fall thanks to a shit performance by India, nothing depressed me more than that. I don't care if we get knocked out of every T20 tournament in the group stage for the next 20 years. Nothing will rival the feeling of depression after loosing to England and Oz 0-8.

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i was at Steve Waugh's last test. We got smashed in the first innings.
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Can't believe I've been on the forum for so long without realising we have cricket discussion - afternoon guys.
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Pathetic stuff from West Indies. They're choking big time in the finals.
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Great innings by Marlon Samuels. WI might just fall short though. 130+ still looks like a competitive score in this pitch, but I guess SL will have the advantage of the dew.
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