Yeah. There was a bit of concern as it was never going to be easy to fill in Gambhir and Sehwag's shoes but this new opening pair of Dhawan and Rohit is doing quite good at the moment.
WI with a close win. Pakistan bowled their hearts out but the total was small. Just pathetic from the Pak batsmen - take out Misbah and Jamshed and the rest scored a sum total of 18 runs !!
It is ok...you just need to try harder to reach those grapes :lmao
Whining won't get you there. Nobody cares more about some bilateral series as compared to a world tournament fpalm
The Ashes is much, much more important to Australian and English fans than an insignificant one day tournament. Why do you think we played Mitchell Johnson?
Darth and Mr. Wrestling, geez, stop. Being a fan of both England and Australia (when I was an avid cricket mark), I can tell you that the Ashes has always been a big deal to the Aussies and the Brits than the other trophies, almost as important as the World Cup. Its like how an India-Pakistan series is to the Indian and Pakistani fans, only with a richer history.
Darth and Mr. Wrestling, geez, stop. Being a fan of both England and Australia (when I was an avid cricket mark), I can tell you that the Ashes has always been a big deal to the Aussies and the Brits than the other trophies, almost as important as the World Cup. Its like how an India-Pakistan series is to the Indian and Pakistani fans, only with a richer history.
The point being, we are not talking about Australian or English fans. We are talking about the cricket fans as a whole - as in the majority of cricket fans. None of us said anything about what Aussies or English preference is.
For the majoprit of cricket fans, a bilateral series like Aus-Eng pales compared to a world tournament like Champions Trophy. That is the point being made here..
Also, bringing up history from the era when there were only 2-3 test playing countries is irrelevant. Cricket has evolved. Better and interesting formats other than test cricket have come up. More countries are playing cricket. In this day and age, a bilateral series has little significance to the majority of cricket fans.
Thia argument is going on in like circles for Australian and English fan ashes in important while for Mr. Wrestling and Smith it isn't because India and other country are not involved
Which is more prestige's? - it would be Ashes
Which will have more watchers ? well if Asian coutry are doing well than champions trophy or else Ashes this time Champions trophy as done well because of India
Well If there is a Australia vs England final today very few people would be watching it more would be Watching Ahses
well if there is India vs pak final in champions trophy final it would get lot more viewers than Ashes would
Basically I am saying in a nutshell different people have different priorities aswell so some my take think champions trophy as important others may not
Thia argument is going on in like circles for Australian and English fan ashes in important while for Mr. Wrestling and Smith it isn't because India and other country are not involved
We are not talking about just me and Mr. Wrestling but MAJORITY OF CRICKET FANS.
And, you are wrong about Ashes being more prestigious. Maybe for you or others here. But, for most of the fans, Ashes is insignificant.
Basically I am saying in a nutshell different people have different priorities aswell so some my take think champions trophy as important others may not
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Don't care about tests. So winning or losing it is irrelevant to me. For me and most of Indians, winning a world tournament like Champions Trophy is a case for celebrations :cheer :cheer
Why not let the sacking wait till the Ashes (in England) is lost before bringing in Boof for the home series. Now a bad series will have people questioning Lehmann's appointment when he basically been handed the team on the eve of a huge series with a crap ton of issues festering.
:lmao Lehmann is a terrific coach to bring in, but now? :lmao Things should start to look better AFTER the Ashes. Cricket Australia never cease to amaze me.
How hard is it to coach a team really? Don't set them homework, don't let them out on the piss to 'celebrate' after getting beaten, and tell any idiots who get into a scuffle to pull their fucking head in or they're flying home. Simple.
Stephen Fleming was a great captain. I don't think people really how good he actually was, took a team full of average players, with hardly any you would classify as world class, and get them winning a lot of games just due to fantastic captaincy.
Amusing how people sitting on another continent can say "Indians don't like test cricket" and other statements like that. Due to sheer number of people who watch cricket, even if 50% of India likes Test Cricket it will be more than Aus/Eng combined.
Funny how this thread just goes in the same circle. Posters like Darth don't help either, nor the people constantly responding to him.
Non casual Indian Cricket fans take Test losses very seriously, the people I know fell into mild (to severe) depression after 0-4 to England, worse after Australia.
Inidans will pretend they don't care about tests, when they're not winning to support their argument. yet if they start winning in tests, they'll be the first to gloat. also dhoni's accomplishment of taking india to #1 in tests was listed as an accomplishment, but why if tests are "irrelevant" (also id just like to say the rankings system is flawed to say the least)
I do not want to sidetrack this thread, but clearly this guy Bullseye has a poor comprehension ability. Every single time I have made a post about Tests, I have put them over as the measuring stick and the best format of Cricket. Yet instead of reading properly, and trying to understand what's written there (despite being a teacher, allegedly) he fails to comprehend the point.
You guys watch some matches on your little TV, and come to the conclusion that Indians are all about ODIs and have no respect for Tests. Then there's this little guy Bully, who comes out jumping outta nowhere, and claims that he knows how Indians "pretend to not care" about Tests and then "gloat when they win". fpalm
You guys base your arguments over posts made by a couple of people from India who put ODIs over Tests. That's the sample size of population (a couple of guys) on which you base your argument? To quote The King Lawler: "the ONLY exercise you do is riding the stats and jumping to the conclusions" fpalm
India is a country that adores Cricket. Irrespective of the format, people are deeply involved whenever India is playing. "Only ODIs are important. Who gives a fuck that we lost 0-4 in Tests?" -- said NO Indian ever.
I understand you guys are bitter that your team has absolutely sucked for the past several months. Every team faces rough patches. But that doesn't imply that other teams' successes are irrelevant. To me Tests have always been highly important, always will be. But that doesn't mean that I blindly hate ODIs or T20s. There are many teams that play negatively (for a draw, or just for records) in Tests, killing the spirit of the game. At least in limited overs format, they can not carry on those shenanigans.
Cricket fans like us should celebrate the fact that we have three different formats of the game we love. And all 3 formats offer something different. Instead some guys here will try to condescend others by saying "you lot are as bad as rock/austin marks" fpalm
You aren't the only guy here who has been following Cricket since the 80s. Loving ODIs has got nothing to do with hating Tests or vice versa. True fans are able to appreciate and enjoy all forms of Cricket without bitching that one form is superior to the other.
I do not want to sidetrack this thread, but clearly this guy Bullseye has a poor comprehension ability. Every single time I have made a post about Tests, I have put them over as the measuring stick and the best format of Cricket. Yet instead of reading properly, and trying to understand what's written there (despite being a teacher, allegedly) he fails to comprehend the point.
You guys watch some matches on your little TV, and come to the conclusion that Indians are all about ODIs and have no respect for Tests. Then there's this little guy Bully, who comes out jumping outta nowhere, and claims that he knows how Indians "pretend to not care" about Tests and then "gloat when they win". fpalm
You guys base your arguments over posts made by a couple of people from India who put ODIs over Tests. That's the sample size of population (a couple of guys) on which you base your argument? To quote The King Lawler: "the ONLY exercise you do is riding the stats and jumping to the conclusions" fpalm
India is a country that adores Cricket. Irrespective of the format, people are deeply involved whenever India is playing. "Only ODIs are important. Who gives a fuck that we lost 0-4 in Tests?" -- said NO Indian ever.
I understand you guys are bitter that your team has absolutely sucked for the past several months. Every team faces rough patches. But that doesn't imply that other teams' successes are irrelevant. To me Tests have always been highly important, always will be. But that doesn't mean that I blindly hate ODIs or T20s. There are many teams that play negatively (for a draw, or just for records) in Tests, killing the spirit of the game. At least in limited overs format, they can not carry on those shenanigans.
Cricket fans like us should celebrate the fact that we have three different formats of the game we love. And all 3 formats offer something different. Instead some guys here will try to condescend others by saying "you lot are as bad as rock/austin marks" fpalm
You aren't the only guy here who has been following Cricket since the 80s. Loving ODIs has got nothing to do with hating Tests or vice versa. True fans are able to appreciate and enjoy all forms of Cricket without bitching that one form is superior to the other.
There is a clear disconnect between the first and second paragraph in the quoted post.
If the attitude was like the second paragraph, there would be no argument. Test fans would discuss tests and T20 fans would discuss T20 and so on. The forum would be more constructive.
But, the argument exists because of the kind of logic used in the first paragraph. Where opinions are passed off as facts. I see nothing that says why test is the pinnacle. There can be arguments for and against it but it is just an opinion at the end of the day.
The forum would be more constructive if the attitude shown in the first paragraph can be avoided.
Fact is that test cricket is the pinnacle of the sport. We've discussed this for years yet it still hasn't sunk into you yet. In Adam Gilchrist's autobiography he stated that whilst he loved playing ODI's for Australia, the moment he got the call for the test side was the moment his career as a cricket gained validity and accomplishment.
Test cricket, no matter your view on its entertainment, is the pinnacle. It tests a captains strategy, a teams ability to build an innings, and deals with the fluctuation in weather. You can adore your crash and bash money grabbing format, but the truth is, to the purists, and the players, tests are and always will be the format they want to play the most.
boof hearing my PLEAS from earlier in the thread (or the rodgersbox, idk)
rogers opening with watson for the ashes. tremendously deserved, been a class act for years now. liking that opening pair honestly. warner can fuck off until he proves to not be a shitcunt and cowan just hasn't been good enough.
hoping we get a DAY BY DAY reveal of the lineup from boof. HYPE MACHINE.
Sorry for your loss to my Indian fans on here, you were thrashed, bashed and humiliated, maybe it was the fatigue?
Didn't BCCI announce the Aussie 7 ODI's and T20 game to be played as well?
West Indies doing amazing, two wins from two and a bonus point, why did I ever doubt us? :lol
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