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The Booking of the SD Women's Division is Terrible

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#1 ·
They made Becky look like a joke after making her the first champion and then they put the belt on Alexa who was to green to be champion. Then they put the belt on Naomi but she got injured and they made Alexa champ again when they should have given back to Becky or to Mickie. Now they are going to be in a clusterfuck of a match at WM. It's terrible.
 
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Re: The SmackDown Womans Division

What a surprise...a Bliss fan acting like the division was great until the evil Naomi came along. The division went to crap the moment Bliss started steamrolling Becky.
Right. The division would've been better off had they Booked Becky to have a strong reign to elevate her and the title. All the while having shit happen outside of the title and building others up to be a legit threat to Becky...and Maybe Call up Asuka too.
 
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Re: The SmackDown Womans Division

Bliss got the title before she was ready.

The division should have been built around Becky and then dropped it to Alexa when she was ready.
This, so much this. Give Becky that Title run that everyone wanted her to have and build the other women up separately. Pretending Bliss is good enough and making her Champ when she comes out to crickets every night is stupid. But HHH just had to rush his NXT project to the top.
 
#150 ·
Re: The Smackdown Womans Division

Just came here to echo what's already been said. Charlotte is on her way and I think Alexa is on her way to Raw. Charlotte vs Mickie or Charlotte vs Becky will offer more than any feud combination SD has right now. Sasha vs Bayley will hold down Raw. Once Sasha turns heel, Alexa can become her Dana which will lead to an Alexa face turn down the road that will actually work, imo.
 
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Re: The Smackdown Womans Division

Just came here to echo what's already been said. Charlotte is on her way and I think Alexa is on her way to Raw. Charlotte vs Mickie or Charlotte vs Becky will offer more than any feud combination SD has right now. Sasha vs Bayley will hold down Raw. Once Sasha turns heel, Alexa can become her Dana which will lead to an Alexa face turn down the road that will actually work, imo.
I'd say that Alexa>>>>>Sasha, but let's face it, bellybutton lint>>>>>Sasha Botch.
 
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Re: The women's division on Smackdown is terrible

The division is just too green for it to be fixable, they should've let Becky made something out of that title. Becky should of had a longer feud with Alexa I thought, how that feud went, and the terrible tables match was just awful. Becky as champion is the right girl to have if you want to get the best out of some of the girls that are green, like Alexa, and Carmella.
 
#96 ·
Re: Booking of the womans division is the problem

You know what's fucking crazy?

People have praised the SD women for including everyone and middling out the division and it's lead to lukewarm responses left and right, but the ONE time they actually decide to push someone strong and give them the shine spots (Naomi) she actually starts to get over.

What a fucking concept am I right? Treat someone as a big deal, they get reactions.
 
#100 ·
Re: Booking of the womans division is the problem

You know what's fucking crazy?

People have praised the SD women for including everyone and middling out the division and it's lead to lukewarm responses left and right, but the ONE time they actually decide to push someone strong and give them the shine spots (Naomi) she actually starts to get over.

What a fucking concept am I right? Treat someone as a big deal, they get reactions.
Every week was the same ole shit from the IWC. "SDLs women's division is so much better because they use everyone" was the common thought around and now those same women who were getting tv time every week are being picked apart.

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#147 ·
The SmackDown Womans Division

What a joke the division has become. From OCtober-Febuary the Division was on fire. Alexa and Becky had a great feud. Adding Mickie to the scene, made it better. You had a Young Top Heel in Alexa. You had the Top Babyface on SD Becky. Constantly being denied her chance at winning the title. This all should of lead to Alexa/Mickie/Becky at mania. Where Becky finnally wins the title. Then Alexa and Mickie enter a feud. Instead 60 days out from Mania, they decided to hot shot the title to Naomi. Because it was Black History Month, and she is one of the stars of Total Divas. She lost it due to injury. Then she gets it back because 50% of the crowd were her home town :lol. IT is all very anti climatic tonight. What happens to the three aformentioned now? Who knows as long as Naomi get's her title, because that is what everyone wanted to see, not Becky winning it yeah right...
 
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Re: The women's division on Smackdown is terrible

:lol. Why don't you just have a press conference now.

Alexa ain't too green she's been on the main roster over a year now. I don't see how different things would be if they gave the title to Becky or Mickie. In terms of story they had no right to it. Bliss did. Bliss and Becky carried the division for months. They were going great before Naomi came back. As for your theory they buried Becky. Both Becky and Bliss have 14 losses equal as champs. Seems pretty equal booking to me. Where's the Workrate! Bliss > Becky
 
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Re: The women's division on SmackDown is terrible

Ironic thing is, we were all (myself included) applauding Smackdown for utilizing ALL of their women and gave Raw shit for only featuring 4. Say what you will about Raw's division, but at least their women know how to work and build feuds. I can't recall the last SD woman's match that was actually "great", whereas with Raw, I can think of three off the top of my head: Sasha Banks vs. Charlotte on July 25th, 2016, their FCA match, and Charlotte vs. Bayley at the Royal Rumble. What the fuck has Smackdown's women produced? Yeah we have "OMG her character work is so good :mark :mark" Alexa Bliss, but her in-ring performances are sorely lacking in excitement. Idk what it is with her, but all of her matches come off as formulaic and boring. Natalya/Nikki Bella should've been better than what it turned out being. Mickie James fizzled out after one week with her match with Alexa completely killing her momentum. Although I'm not sure why I'm surprised, the inaugural Women's championship match should've forecasted the kind of quality we would be stuck with.

I don't give a fuck what you all say, that match at Backlash was a mess. Another case of people trying to convince themselves a match was great despite it being asswater.
 
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Re: The women's division on SmackDown is terrible

Ironic thing is, we were all (myself included) applauding Smackdown for utilizing ALL of their women and gave Raw shit for only featuring 4. Say what you will about Raw's division, but at least their women know how to work and build feuds. I can't recall the last SD woman's match that was actually "great", whereas with Raw, I can think of three off the top of my head: Sasha Banks vs. Charlotte on July 25th, 2016, their FCA match, and Charlotte vs. Bayley at the Royal Rumble. What the fuck has Smackdown's women produced? Yeah we have "OMG her character work is so good :mark :mark" Alexa Bliss, but her in-ring performances are sorely lacking in excitement. Idk what it is with her, but all of her matches come off as formulaic and boring. Natalya/Nikki Bella should've been better than what it turned out being. Mickie James fizzled out after one week with her match with Alexa completely killing her momentum. Although I'm not sure why I'm surprised, the inaugural Women's championship match should've forecasted the kind of quality we would be stuck with.

I don't give a fuck what you all say, that match at Backlash was a mess. Another case of people trying to convince themselves a match was great despite it being asswater.
Wait, people actually praised that shite?:lol

I've realised from this post that the Smackdown women's division really is shit and has been since day one. Backlash sucked. Becky's reign sucked. Alexa's reign sucked. Mickie's return bombed hard. The Wrestlemania match is a clusterfuck mess. I don't think either women's division is putting out great matches but Raw has definitely done a much better job of at least making some of them feel big and important.

It's a shame because I really like Becky and Mickie. I think they're very talented and know they're capable of so much better but they just aren't impressing me these days. Mickie looked damn good in that match with Asuka and got me all excited for a full time return, but ended up fizzling out within the first month. Meanwhile Becky hasn't had an engaging feud since last January. I know the creative team is usually lazy as shit but it feels like a cop out to put 100% of the blame on them.
 
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I see a lot of Alexa Bliss love and hate on this forum.

Here's Alexa in a nutshell.

Good on the mic - CHECK
Heel character is excellent - CHECK
Interacts with the referee during the match(very important imo especially as a heel) - CHECK
Chemistry with opponents in ring and in backstage segments - CHECK
Chemistry with non wrestler on screen characters - CHECK
Sells opponents attacks - CHECK
Has believable strikes, punches, kicks - CHECK
Has an adequate move set - CHECK
Has an interesting Finisher - CHECK

Not to bad for a relatively new performer. She still has a lot to learn, but will only get better with time and work. Her being good looking is just a bonus.
 
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I see a lot of Alexa Bliss love and hate on this forum.

Here's Alexa in a nutshell.

Good on the mic - Not really, she can talk but all her mic work is completely forgettable
Heel character is excellent - being a Generic bitchy heel is not excellent
Interacts with the referee during the match(very important imo especially as a heel) - gets really old fast, her screeching during matches is so overdone
Chemistry with opponents in ring and in backstage segments - has absolutely no chemistry in the ring with anyone as seen by all her terrible matches.
Chemistry with non wrestler on screen characters - CHECK
Sells opponents attacks - are you really giving her credit for something every wrestler does? Often better than her
Has believable strikes, punches, kicks - they're bad but so is the rest of the divisions, so she gets a pass here.
Has an adequate move set - not as a heel
Has an interesting Finisher - is too small and weak for it, it looks like it would hurt her more than her opponent but it's impressive

A relatively new performer. She has a lot to learn, but hopefully will get better with time and work or she'll be released within 3 years. Her being good looking is the only reason people like her .
Fixed

Edit - she's not the worst woman the WWE have ever had but right now she's Kelly Kelly level at best and her marks are the most pathetic group of wrestling fans around, acting like she's the second coming of trish stratus because she dresses like a stripper and they think they're in love.
 
#25 ·
Re: The women's division on Smackdown is terrible

Let's see:

SD womens division was doing things right, giving the spotlight to the new women, but in the last 2 months all went to hell, Naomi returning, winning and dropping the title in a month for god knows why and now just the mess that it will be the title match at Mania. And let's face it, Alexa is good, probably the best on the mic, but his matches are average at best and Becky hasn't had a memorable match since the Triple Threat at Mania, so she might be good but not in the level of carrying someone

RAW womens division isn't that much better, all the focus is on the Horsewomen and no one else, which means we have the same matches over and over again, the hot potatoing with the title, the awful promos most of the time, which saves the division is that the matches are usually better, but the build up to the matches are horrible.

NXT has probably the worst of them all, with a champ that made everyone else look like jokes, so much so that her n1 contender has next to no momentum besides being "the girl with the cool finisher", who will probably win and will be the one carrying the brand despite not having any chaacter development whatsover

So, in a nutshell, is not only SD womens division which is in a terrible shape, but the division as whole is in terrible shape
 
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Re: The women's division on Smackdown is terrible

Let's see:

SD womens division was doing things right, giving the spotlight to the new women, but in the last 2 months all went to hell, Naomi returning, winning and dropping the title in a month for god knows why and now just the mess that it will be the title match at Mania. And let's face it, Alexa is good, probably the best on the mic, but his matches are average at best and Becky hasn't had a memorable match since the Triple Threat at Mania, so she might be good but not in the level of carrying someone

RAW womens division isn't that much better, all the focus is on the Horsewomen and no one else, which means we have the same matches over and over again, the hot potatoing with the title, the awful promos most of the time, which saves the division is that the matches are usually better, but the build up to the matches are horrible.

NXT has probably the worst of them all, with a champ that made everyone else look like jokes, so much so that her n1 contender has next to no momentum besides being "the girl with the cool finisher", who will probably win and will be the one carrying the brand despite not having any chaacter development whatsover

So, in a nutshell, is not only SD womens division which is in a terrible shape, but the division as whole is in terrible shape
I agree for the most part especially on Naomi, I think they gave her the title for pr reasons. i'll add on.

Smackdown's women's division got the characters, but got screwed on the lack of quality workers. What's worse is now Becky hasn't been 100% over the last few months, rehabbing a shoulder injury.


On Becky, I think that's more on booking than the wrestler to be honest. Becky's matches usually have some catch where she can't lose by simple cheating or win without interference and/or getting beat down afterwards. Her matches that get time have some interference or a bad finish that is ridiculous. It feels like most of them are about furthering the story rather than putting on a good match. In the Becky/Alexa matches, they had 2 bad gimmicks where it's incredibly hard to have a good match in WWE by modern fan standards.


Raw's women's division lacks quality characters and stories but has pretty good workers and in the ring and can deliver good to pretty good matches.

In NXT, Asuka is booked too strong where your top heels in Peyton Royce and Billie Kay look too weak next to Asuka and Ember Moon. I get babyfaces are supposed to be strong, but not this strong.

A strong division needs both quality workers and characters. That is why Raw and Smackdown's are terrible.
 
#50 ·
Re: The women's division on SmackDown is terrible

Who cares? The WWE never treated Becky well not on NXT or the Main Roster so none of this should come as a shock to people anymore. They had to hype her up as a big deal about draft picks because they had no intention of building her to be the star of the division at the time, they needed her to make the newer call ups seem credible. Is it fair maybe/maybe not. It is just the way it is right now and possibly in the future. Success in WWE has zero to do with in ring ability. It comes down to a few things and in ring is low on the list. It's just been proven historically. There really is no quick fix to the problems in the SD women's division. You couldn't have her just bowl over everybody because then you get a situation like NXT where anybody who either competes with or possibly beats Asuka will look like a fluke because they have had her dominate everyone for too long. At least on RAW they have constantly made sure that people like Sasha and Bayley are seen as close to Charlotte's level competition wise.
 
#52 ·
Re: The women's division on SmackDown is terrible

Who cares? The WWE never treated Becky well not on NXT or the Main Roster so none of this should come as a shock to people anymore. They had to hype her up as a big deal about draft picks because they had no intention of building her to be the star of the division at the time, they needed her to make the newer call ups seem credible. Is it fair maybe/maybe not. It is just the way it is right now and possibly in the future. Success in WWE has zero to do with in ring ability. It comes down to a few things and in ring is low on the list. It's just been proven historically. There really is no quick fix to the problems in the SD women's division. You couldn't have her just bowl over everybody because then you get a situation like NXT where anybody who either competes with or possibly beats Asuka will look like a fluke because they have had her dominate everyone for too long. At least on RAW they have constantly made sure that people like Sasha and Bayley are seen as close to Charlotte's level competition wise.
Even though Bayley needed Sasha's help to not only beat Charlotte for the title on RAW but again in the rematch two weeks later at Fastlane? And after Fastlane Bayley has lost to Sasha and Nia and got beat down by Nia in another match. Way to put over your champion. Sasha, on the other hand, was able to beat Nia clean at Fastlane and on RAW was able beat Dana Brooke clean along with her win over Bayley DESPITE Charlotte's interference. This, from a woman who began the year walking around on a crutch with her knee bandaged. They have done nothing to make Bayley seem equal to Sasha let alone Charlotte.
 
#61 ·
Re: The women's division on SmackDown is terrible

I'm amazed that there are still people acting like SmackDowns Womens division is anything other than awful. Seems like only the hardcore Becky and Alexa fans are pretending as such though. Its a mess, dumb characters, repetitive feuds, no one is important, the matches are all mediocre. Even the Nia Jax v Sasha and Bayley matches are so much better than anything SmackDown has produced outside of the Six Pack Challenge for the Title. Even the Mickie v Becky matches were crap.
 
#65 ·
Re: The women's division on SmackDown is terrible

I'm amazed that there are still people acting like SmackDowns Womens division is anything other than awful. Seems like only the hardcore Becky and Alexa fans are pretending as such though. Its a mess, dumb characters, repetitive feuds, no one is important, the matches are all mediocre. Even the Nia Jax v Sasha and Bayley matches are so much better than anything SmackDown has produced outside of the Six Pack Challenge for the Title. Even the Mickie v Becky matches were crap.
:shockedpunk You know Smackdown's Women's Division sucks when Eva Maryse puts Sasha vs. Nia over it.

 
#62 ·
Re: The women's division on SmackDown is terrible

Raw have the better wrestlers
Smackdown have the better actresses

Alexa & Carmella especially, with a mic in hand 99% of the time they will produce, when it comes to matches they are almost unwatchable, especially Carmella. Becky is streets ahead of everyone when it comes to Wrestling, but in terms of feuds we've seen her go through Natalya ages ago, Mickie most recently, from a Wrestling stand point there is nobody left to give her a watchable feud.

There's really no in between. You either put the title on your best wrestler in Becky, but have her muddle along in a feud with a green wrestler, or you put the title on one of your better actresses in Alexa like now or Carmella, then watch them deliver on mic but get carried in matches by Becky, Mickie or Natalya.

Some say getting in other names won't help matters, but just imagine Becky vs Asuka or Emma...
 
#68 ·
Re: The women's division on SmackDown is terrible

Raw have the better wrestlers
Smackdown have the better actresses

Alexa & Carmella especially, with a mic in hand 99% of the time they will produce, when it comes to matches they are almost unwatchable, especially Carmella. Becky is streets ahead of everyone when it comes to Wrestling, but in terms of feuds we've seen her go through Natalya ages ago, Mickie most recently, from a Wrestling stand point there is nobody left to give her a watchable feud.

There's really no in between. You either put the title on your best wrestler in Becky, but have her muddle along in a feud with a green wrestler, or you put the title on one of your better actresses in Alexa like now or Carmella, then watch them deliver on mic but get carried in matches by Becky, Mickie or Natalya.

Some say getting in other names won't help matters, but just imagine Becky vs Asuka or Emma...
To be honest I think people are underestimating Carmella. She more than carried a feud with Nikki.

Alexa is the best actress is laughable. She's good but not objectively on Becky's level.

The intent of the Alexa feud was to try to get Alexa over. Natalya feud was to set Becky up for a title run, though they could have let Becky or Natalya speak more and built it better. Mickie feud was rushed because of Naomi.

Smackdown's division is so unbalanced when it comes to quality workers to characters.
 
#91 ·
Booking of the womans division is the problem

I hear people crapping on Bayley and Bliss. But if you watched a bad movie with a great actor. Would you say they have never been good. And are bad? No it is the booking. Look at Sasha on NXT she was having 5 star matches weekly. On the main roster not so much. Don't blame the talent, blame the booking. What happened with the SD division. Was for four months Bliss and Becky were carrying the division. And being prasied. I remember every week, Bliss and Becky are so great. Naomi returns from injury. And they start hot shotting the title. I am a firm beleiver in pushing young talent. Pushing Bliss as the top woman star on SD was the right move. And they should do it all over again. What they got wrong was adding anyone to the Bliss/Becky/Mickie angle. That should be the match at WM. What we got now, since hot shotting the title. Is this overbooked mess.
 
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Re: Booking of the womans division is the problem

I hear people crapping on Bayley and Bliss. But if you watched a bad movie with a great actor. Would you say they have never been good. And are bad? No it is the booking. Look at Sasha on NXT she was having 5 star matches weekly. On the main roster not so much. Don't blame the talent, blame the booking. What happened with the SD division. Was for four months Bliss and Becky were carrying the division. And being prasied. I remember every week, Bliss and Becky are so great. Naomi returns from injury. And they start hot shotting the title. I am a firm beleiver in pushing young talent. Pushing Bliss as the top woman star on SD was the right move. And they should do it all over again. What they got wrong was adding anyone to the Bliss/Becky/Mickie angle. That should be the match at WM. What we got now, since hot shotting the title. Is this overbooked mess.
I have to disagree with every single thing said here.

Firstly, no Sasha was never delivering 5 stars weekly, not even close. She had a handful of good-very good, potentially even great matches within the context of womens wrestling. But those were all spread far apart, the weekly matches on NXT are dull paint by numbers shit. Its only the Takeover matches that are ever any good, and Sasha had a few of those. But here's the thing with those matches in NXT and her lower standard on the Main Roster; Time. In NXT they work a much easier schedule and for big matches like the Takeover matches they get months to work on the pacing/layout of the matches. On the Main Roster you have to go out nearly every night and put on a match. You cant just practice over and over for one big match.

And no Bliss and Becky were never carrying the division, the delusional and offputting Bliss fans might claim so with some revisionist history but at the time there was a lot of disgust and outrage that Akexa Bliss was steamrolling Becky pretty much every week. Alexa early on was regarded as what she is; a decent/good mic and character worker. Since she won the Title though her fans have run with this idea that she's Goddess tier and is carrying the division. The division was good upto and immediately after Becky won the Womens Title. Once the Bliss feud just started killing Beckys momentum it all went downhill from there.

And lastly Bliss fans need to stop shitting on Naomi in every single thread just because you're shitty that she got to end Alexa's dull Title reign. The division went downhill when they took the over and beloved babyface Becky Lynch and treated her like absolute shit as Champion in favour of the green as grass Alexa Bliss. This idea that the division was so amazing up until Naomi won is ridiculous.

And the Bliss/Becky/Mickie angle was absolute garbage no matter how badly you want to pretend it was great solely because Bliss was involved. Zero reason why that feud should go one for six months or so. All the matches between those three are boring, and have been done to death already. Those three need to be removed from the Title picture for a while.
 
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