Wade Keller on Stone Cold Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this point."
I want to see AJ has a heel against Dean, and I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this point. I don't think his character is a world champion character. I don't mean he needs to be lower on the card so that hes a midcarder, I just mean that character is more Rowdy Roddy Piper-esque, and not the world champion holding the belt. I think Smackdown needs AJ as the standard bearer of that championship, but I think thats coming up.
From Stone Cold's Summerslam review. Stone Cold was trying hard not to be negative about Ambrose because he knows the fanboys will take it out of context and claim he hates him after that awkward interview on the network. But Wade Keller didn't hold back on his thoughts about the match with Ziggler.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Colds Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this poin
I think he's right that AJ will take the title soon, but I'd rather he win his first at WM to finally achieve the boyhood dream against a bigger star.
There's a better story there than a heel AJ beating Dean at some random PPV.
AJ's first WWE title win is one of the few great moments they have left under their sleeve, it's much better to delay it for now till WM 33 or 34. But I know they won't after beating Cena clean, it's almost certain he takes it within the next few months.
I think Dean had gone fine up until SS, he was great on the mic and had been doing great in his builds. But that match... it was horrible and got nothing out of the crowd. The title felt meaningless, that's why I think Vince will hot shot it to AJ after how hot the crowd were AJ beating Cena.
I think he's right that AJ will take the title soon, but I'd rather he win his first at WM to finally achieve the boyhood dream against a bigger star.
There's a better story there than a heel AJ beating Dean at some random PPV.
AJ's first WWE title win is one of the few great moments they have left under their sleeve, it's much better to delay it for now till WM 33 or 34. But I know they won't after beating Cena clean, it's almost certain he takes it within the next few months.
I think Dean had gone fine up until SS, he was great on the mic and had been doing great in his builds. But that match... it was horrible and got nothing out of the crowd. The title felt meaningless, that's why I think Vince will hot shot it to AJ after how hot the crowd were AJ beating Cena.
Ambrose just needs better matches than freaking Ziggler. I mean Ambrose can easily hold onto title til WM.
I 100% want the classic Royal Rumble win, and WWE World Title fight at WM32....Or since RAW is the "flagship" do they get the Royal Rumble...Cause I don't remember both brands getting their own.
If that were the case, why did no one give a fuck for him or Ziggler at the second biggest PPV of the year? Say what you like, but guys like AJ, Cena and Reigns bring the big fight feel, guys like Ambrose do not.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Colds Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this poin
He's world champ material talent wise (mic skills, charisma etc...), ring skills need more consistency however, but yeah, I agree. His gimmick is just not doing it for me. His music isn't doing it. It's midcarder music. His character needs an overhaul. It's his presentation that's the issue for me.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Colds Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this poin
Ambrose proved Austin right. The dude is just so damn complacent.
Has anyone noticed he isn't good at anything he's not naturally good at? He's always been good on mic. Some people have the natural ability to excel in extemporaneous public deliveries. Dean is one of those people. But anything that requires any bit of effort from him, he's not good at.
Austin was 100% right when he said Dean was "resting on his laurels", and it's disappointing that Dean has already dismissed that criticism, as evident by that heatless and mediocre match on Sunday.
Ambrose proved Austin right. The dude is just so damn complacent.
Has anyone noticed he isn't good at anything he's not naturally good at? He's always been good on mic. Some people have the natural ability to excel in extemporaneous public deliveries. Dean is one of those people. But anything that requires any bit of effort from him, he's not good at.
Austin was 100% right when he said Dean was "resting on his laurels", and it's disappointing that Dean has already dismissed that criticism, as evident by that heatless and mediocre match on Sunday.
Spot on. The biggest chance he had to prove Austin wrong and he fucked it up. I'm angry with this guy.
I'm not saying Dean doesn't love Wrestling, it's just that...I don't know, I will only say this: Daniel Bryan always says that he failed a motivational test from WWE, but the guy gave it all, he was tremendous at proving people wrong in his last few years with WWE. And he was a mediocre mic worker, but his delivery with passion made it work.
Ambrose has better mic skills and he doesn't seem to want to get better with his in-ring stuff. Adapt or perish, I know that Ambrose style is more slow, but ffs, you need to understand that, with this roster, not every guy will understand that style, and Ziggler is one of the biggest examples. And if your character is a wild crazy guy, well, do some crazy shit in the ring. RING PSYCHOLOGY. If he was a heel, fine, but he is not. Dissapointed with him.
The fact is: A guy like Bryan did his best to improve in his low point (Mic skills), while Dean just...wrestles and doesn't get any better.
Austin was right. Austin is right. And Austin will be right until Dean Ambrose get his shit together.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Colds Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this poin
Interesting how Keller mentioned the face vs face dynamic, but I don't know. Face vs face matches can work well as long as the wrestlers in the ring make it work. Ambrose did not play the heel role well enough, AJ vs Reigns was a face vs face match that was spectacular. Could have something to do with the fact that the crowd just hates Reigns' guts, but it's also because he was working a much more aggressive, cocky style that had the fans invested. AJ of course played his part to excellency like he always does also.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Colds Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this poin
LOL who cares what Wade Keller thinks or wants? He just a mark like anyone else. Does he not realize the whole purpose Ziggler/Ambrose match was not to tear the house down. But to make Ambrose look dominate and give him a easy win. It was what you would expect out of a match in middle of the ppv.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Colds Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this poin
As one of the biggest Austin supporters, I honestly don't believe he's been watching Ambrose. This statement was made off of Summerslam, but Ambrose from a character standpoint has been amazing for a good while now. AJ will be champion soon but it doesn't need to be at the next PPV especially when there would be a serious lack of build when this feud has big potential.
As one of the biggest Austin supporters, I honestly don't believe he's been watching Ambrose. This statement was made off of Summerslam, but Ambrose from a character standpoint has been amazing for a good while now. AJ will be champion soon but it doesn't need to be at the next PPV especially when there would be a serious lack of build when this feud has big potential.
This is coming from someone who doesn't want AJ to win the title, Dean did AJ zero favors at Summerslam. He pretty much handed the title to Vince and told him to give it to AJ. It was a horrible match that lost so much prestige for the title.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Colds Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this poin
If Ambrose does have his heel run soon, I wouldn't be surprised if they just have him surpass the length of CM Punks reign. I don't think a babyface champ could hold it for that long without the crowd turning on them at some point. So if heel? Why not.
It wasn't Austin who said it, it was wrestling journalist Wade Keller.
I can tell Austin wanted to shit on the match but he mostly held back, because people would just see it as evidence he hates Ambrose after that god awful interview. He probably wants the "beef" to die down and doesn't want to do anything to bring it back up.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Cold Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this point
Ambrose was killing it from January to April but since then he's really dropped off imo. He's decent but not great, if it's a choice between Ambrose and Styles it's Styles every time.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Cold Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this point
Double turn between AJ and Ambrose while they feud for the title the next 2-3 PPVs would be perfect. AJ is just too over to keep heel especially after beating up John Cena clean. Going over Cena and kicking out of the Super AA screams "heart" to me which doesn't make sense for a heel.
Dean's done some great work as a tweener vs Ziggler and I think he will be even better as a heel. Maybe they can use it as an opportunity to change the presentation of his character which comes off as a midcarder right now. His ring gear, music, entrance, etc just doesn't do it for me.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Cold Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this point
Styles has proved over the last few months that he is the every bit the best performer in the business and has been for the better part of a decade. Even with his shotty booking he has risen to the top of the company that no one even thought he would ever end up performing for. His matches with Reigns and Cena all had that big fight feel that a world title main event should have. Saving his title win for mania would be great but it's not gonna happen he will be champ by survivor series at the latest.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Cold Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this point
The guy WANTS to be hated, there is NO WAY!... he pressent his character the way he does and think that will get him cheered/popular. My take is wwe want to paint him a huge "awkward", "different" babyface that will appeal to the early teen while he didn't particularly want to be a popular babyface. I'm pretty sure his mindset is something like: "you want me to be a babyface, cool whatever but don't expect me to go out there and entertain those morons "
The guy WANTS to be hated, there is NO WAY!... he pressent his character the way he does and think that will get him cheered/popular. My take is wwe want to paint him a huge "awkward", "different" babyface that will appeal to the early teen while he didn't particularly want to be a popular babyface. I'm pretty sure his mindset is something like: "you want me to be a babyface, cool whatever but don't expect me to go out there and entertain those morons "
Except he does get cheered. Because no matter how much he doesn't deliver, 1. he's not Roman and 2. he toiled in the midcard while Rolleigns were getting title runs so he's loved simply because they perceive him as being held back.
It's amazing to me how fans let him get away with the amount of crap they do.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Cold Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this point
I disagree, I think Dean is champion material . He's solid in the ring, has a unique look and great on the mic and the fans seem to love the guy. He may not look like say Finn Balor physique wise but it isn't necessary. I do hope his matches get better though,they're not bad they're just lacking something special to make his matches truly stand out like when he was chasing the title against Ambrose . I still feel that Ambrose should have won the title a hell of a lot earlier when he was white hot but instead they insisted on another guy . Anyway, here's to hoping that Dean's next feud is better than the one against Ziggler
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Cold Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this point
Ambrose is championship material. The match with Dolph Ziggler was underwhelming - but the feud was excellent, the best build up to Summerslam and in large part due to Ambrose. He looked like a champion throughout, so just because of one weak match, now he's not? It's idiotic.
Not world title material, when his bookings been absolute shit, run down by the commentators, sabotaged by brock at this years wm and then going against a guy who loses to tyler breeze, fandango and bo dallas.
That has nothing to do with how that match was recieved.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Cold Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this point
So Styles carried the match quality for the feud, didn't do anything spectacular on the mic, and had the advantage of being placed on the card when no other big matches or moments happened and he's world champion material.
Meanwhile, Ambrose carried the mic quality of the feud, didn't do anything spectacular in his match, and had the disadvantage of following up one of the best in-ring workers of all time, that just defeated John Cena clean, and that means he's NOT world champion material.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Cold Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this point
Match was nowhere near as bad as it's being panned as. Dean has had worst matches that fans here deriding him now clamored for. Guy was as sharp Sunday as he's been since winning the title. Incorporated new moves, taunted Dolph and the crowd to get him face sympathy. Barring his botch outside after the superkick, he was fine. The group think, hive mind has began and regardless of what he does, it's not going to be good enough. The agenda has been since he won the title that he couldn't work and since Dolph won the spot, he wasn't supposed to be there. Now, Dean is the whipping boy because it's time for the title to move since the new car smell has worn off.
I've dumped on Dean relentlessly when he's crapped out duds but his match simply was nowhere near as bad as the IWC is determined to make it. Having to follow Styles/Cena didn't help, but the crowd was shitting on both Dean and Dolph before the bell rang. The conclusion was fargone. They didn't even move for the Zig Zag because Dolph never had a chance. Dean's problem isn't his work rate. His work rate is as good as it's been in two years. His problem is a "new" guy is gaining steam and Dean has been winning handedly. He's no longer the persecuted member of The Shield or the underdog, which is why the same one marking him for death now we're staunchly behind him in February and hurling "We want Ambrose," towards Reigns despite Dean being objectively worse of a worker and mic worker than he is currently.
A witch hunt because of ADD and the thrill of the hunt typically being more fulfilling than the feast. The same way Bryan "spammed kicks" a month into his reign. The same way Seth was supposedly killing ratings with his promos last year after the IWC begged and pleaded for him to cash in. The same way Ambrose is now cancer. Two months into AJ's run after the new car smell wears off, he'll be a vanilla, work rate midget and it'll be time to elevate Bray who will being held back. The moment Dean turns heel, it'll be time to put the belt on him. His appearance nor his offense will change, but itll be time to pull the trigger again. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Vince is fattening up Styles for slaughter.
I think Styles has earned his run and he and Ambrose should pull a double turn, but considering the knee jerk overreaction and arrogance of it all with the IWC pretending Dean "handed the belt over" to Vince after a match fans were determined to reject after two successful months as a champion, I wouldn't care if Dean goes over. If you're going to push an agenda and feign anger, Vince and Ambrose may as well give you a reason to be angry.
Match was nowhere near as bad as it's being panned as. Dean has had worst matches that fans here deriding him now clamored for. Guy was as sharp Sunday as he's been since winning the title. Incorporated new moves, taunted Dolph and the crowd to get him face sympathy. Barring his botch outside after the superkick, he was fine. The group think, hive mind has began and regardless of what he does, it's not going to be good enough. The agenda has been since he won the title that he couldn't work and since Dolph won the spot, he wasn't supposed to be there. Now, Dean is the whipping boy because it's time for the title to move since the new car smell has worn off.
I've dumped on Dean relentlessly when he's crapped out duds but his match simply was nowhere near as bad as the IWC is determined to make it. Having to follow Styles/Cena didn't help, but the crowd was shitting on both Dean and Dolph before the bell rang. The conclusion was fargone. They didn't even move for the Zig Zag because Dolph never had a chance. Dean's problem isn't his work rate. His work rate is as good as it's been in two years. His problem is a "new" guy is gaining steam and Dean has been winning handedly. He's no longer the persecuted member of The Shield or the underdog, which is why the same one marking him for death now we're staunchly behind him in February and hurling "We want Ambrose," towards Reigns despite Dean being objectively worse of a worker and mic worker than he is currently.
A witch hunt because of ADD and the thrill of the hunt typically being more fulfilling than the feast. The same way Bryan "spammed kicks" a month into his reign. The same way Seth was supposedly killing ratings with his promos last year after the IWC begged and pleaded for him to cash in. The same way Ambrose is now cancer. Two months into AJ's run after the new car smell wears off, he'll be a vanilla, work rate midget and it'll be time to elevate Bray who will being held back. The moment Dean turns heel, it'll be time to put the belt on him. His appearance nor his offense will change, but itll be time to pull the trigger again. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Vince is fattening up Styles for slaughter.
I think Styles has earned his run and he and Ambrose should pull a double turn, but considering the knee jerk overreaction and arrogance of it all with the IWC pretending Dean "handed the belt over" to Vince after a match fans were determined to reject after two successful months as a champion, I wouldn't care if Dean goes over. If you're going to push an agenda and feign anger, Vince and Ambrose may as well give you a reason to be angry.
Ambrose 2013-early 2014 >>>> Ambrose since then, and that match Sunday was indubitably mediocre (tho not moreso than much else he's done lately although much better than his match with Jericho) but the rest I agree with 100%.
I called that way in advance though. Once you strip away Dean's underdog schtick, there's not much left that's worth investing in.
He's been running www.pwtorch.com for 27 years I think, which is a fantastic site, with lots of great and smart writers. Great podcasts every day, I think he's got the best Pro Wrestling podcast out there, even though I disagree with him on this statment. I don't agree with everything he says but I respect the hell out of it.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Cold Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this point
Ambrose is just biting his time before he can make the heel turn. Some will call it complacency, but I don't see it that way. He's already far and away surpassed where anyone would have thought he would have gotten in a babyface role.
Keller compared Dean to a Roddy Piper type who "doesn't need" the Title. Well I disagree and wish Piper actually held the World Title at some point. At least we can live that vicariously through Ambrose. It's good to have an unorthodox Champion for a change.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Cold Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this point
um...I liked the match on Summerslam. What was mediocre about it? Grant it, it wasn't the finisher-spam fest that Cena/Styles was, but it was a quality match imo. I enjoyed it.
I personally find Ambrose as a world champion, especially in the context of a brand split. He's been doing good work on Smackdown.
Re: Wade Keller on Stone Cold Podcast: "I want to see AJ become champion. I think Dean is fine, I don't think he is world champion level at this point
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