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"Orton as the top face of Smackdown to feud with AJ Styles" - Dave Meltzer

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#1 ·
"A few things were known, such as Randy Orton on Smackdown to eventually feud with Styles as the top babyface on the Smackdown brand house shows since Cena wasn’t going to be on the road. "

I don't know how that would work with AJ being over with fans?
 
#33 ·
I think Orton has been away for long enough that his return will feel fresh and there will at least be that initial excitement surrounding him. It's if they can keep it up and tweak his character/create interesting feuds for more than a couple of months. I've always been a fan of Orton, I think he's been really great in some of his roles, his mic work is solid, he generates good reactions and he's incredibly solid/often very good in the ring, so I have no issue with him being top face on the brand initially.

I'd be happy with a AJ Styles/Orton feud, the matches themselves would be brilliant.
 
#4 · (Edited)
Orton will be the face and AJ will be the heel. But Orton not going to be the top face on the show. That will be Ambrose/Cena for sure. One thing I noticed about Meltzer lately. He never gives Ambrose credit or mentioned barley mentions him. Ambrose is WWE Champion and we barely hear a word about him from Meltzer. It's kind of annoying how Ambrose was Smackdown top pick and Meltzer never even mentioned him as a Raw or Smackdown or one of the guys a show would build around. Or does he ever talk about any future feud or matches he will be having. I guess he has his favorites......, even though he claims to be a fan of Ambrose.
 
#6 · (Edited)
Orton will be the face and AJ will be the heel. But Orton not going to be the top face on the show. That will be Ambrose/Cena for sure. One thing I noticed about Meltzer lately. He never gives Ambrose credit or mentioned him as a top guy yet. Ambrose is WWE Champion and we barely hear a word about him from Meltzer. It's kind of annoying how Ambrose was Smackdown top pick and Meltzer never even mentioned him as a Raw or Smackdown guy or one of the guys a show would build around. Or does he ever talk about any future feud or matches he will be having. I guess he has his favorites......, even though he claims to be a fan of Ambrose.
Meltzer said he would've picked Ambrose to be the face of the company, so don't give me that shit. He just knows the fix is in with Ambrose, because it is and it has been for a long time. WWE doesn't see him as a top star, so there's no use pretending. He's been slotted as a mid card wrestler for years, they have to treat him as a top guy for a long time to erase that stigma. You don't stop pretending just because he held the title for a single month because Roman got suspended. He's the current champion so of course he was the top pick, but he won't be the champion come Sunday and Cena and Orton are Vince's boys. Always have been, always will be.

I don't like hearing the news about Orton being the top face on SmackDown (nor AJ being the top heel, since it should be Bray, but the fix is in with Bray too) but I'm absolutely stone faced about it. Did not come as a shock at all.
 
#21 ·
AJ Styles-Randy Orton? now thats a Dream Match! i dont see a better in ring main event program in both raw and smackdown than that.

Randy Orton vs Brock Lesnar & Randy Orton vs AJ Styles? what a time to be alive!

i hope Orton & AJ have a Orton-Christian 2011 feud with 4 big matches, god this goona be GOODT!
 
#22 ·
I think Orton has fantastic potential as a top face, if booked the right way. And WWE had the right way in the palm of their hand a year or two ago. It baffles me that WWE never took advantage of the viral "RKO outta nowhere" thing. Have Orton as a loose cannon dropping everyone everywhere with the RKO, like Austin with the Stunner. Make him an all action badass who directs his venom towards the bad guys.

Plus, Phenomenal Forearm into the RKO... :mark :mark :mark
 
#55 ·
My point is that maybe it's time for you to accept that management's opinion's on Ambrose have actually changed and they don't view him as just a mid card guy anymore. And I'm right there with you on having Ambrose as champ over Rollins and Reigns, for a couple of reasons. 1.) The dude fucking deserves it. As has been pointed out numerous times, he's a babyface that's pushed like a babyface, and is actually over the with the majority of fans, and 2.) Smackdown having the WWE title gives that brand a lot more credibility.
 
#57 ·
If they had Dean break CM Punk's modern title-reign record, Tyrion would still be saying they aren't getting behind him.

I'd say pinning Golden Boy Clean after pinning Rollins Clean on Tuesday is a pretty strong Attaboy and proof they're giving him a decent run with the strap and Main Event push.

I mean... if he's going to drop it anytime soon.. who to? Nobody is really queued up that is on SmackDown, and they've made a point of moving the other two guys to the other brand. AJ is likely to job to Ambrose before he wins it, likely next year. Orton is basically ME enhancement talent that they're calling a Top Face out of courtesy. Ambrose is going over him. AJ is likely to go over him. Everybody else on SmackDown will job to him.
 
#10 ·
The matches are going to be great and I think the storyline can be good if they focus on it on the fight and have intense beatdown between them... and that Springboard into a RKO will be great

And if it's true, what a run for AJ Styles. If you told me last year that he would join the WWE and then have a feud against Chris Jericho, the WWE Champ Roman Reigns, John Cena and maybe Orton, I wouldn't believe you^^
 
#18 ·
I am completely down with a Styles/Orton feud!

Who's to say Styles doesn't recruit American Alpha or Breezango for his new club? This is the great thing about a brand split, it allows everyone to start over. New stories, new writing, new direction. Have Styles get two new buddies, and that sets up a showdown with Balor's club on Raw down the road.

I just used Alpha and Breezango as examples. Could be anyone. With the right booking, damn near anyone can get over.
 
#20 · (Edited)
Outside of Sting (who would've beaten Rollins with one hand in his prime, as a guy who had no problem beating Hogan and Flair), all those guys have beaten Rollins clean. The fact that it was a WWE Championship match was completely irrelevant to what that says about his standing. And Ambrose has failed to beat Rollins clean for TWO STRAIGHT YEARS. This is his first clean win over Rollins in TWO STRAIGHT YEARS. He has lost to Rollins over and over and over and over and over again. Reigns beat Rollins on his first try.
Ambrose lost to Rollins three times in 2014 with Authority cheating twice and Bray Wyatt costing Ambrose the Hell in the Cell match. Rollins never beat Ambrose clean in 2014. But in 2015 Ambrose was booked very strong with Rollins

Smackdown April 30th-Rollins beats Ambrose after Authority cheats

Ray May 4th-Ambrose beats Rollins, despite JJ Security trying to cheat.

Elimination Chamber-Ambrose beats Rollins- then a few minutes after the match the Ref reversed the decision to DQ.

Money in the Bank-Rollins beat Ambrose, as both fell to the ground with the title. This was Rollins one and only clean win over Ambrose.

Smackdown late June-Rollins beats Ambrose after cheating from Authority.

Smackdown September 24th-Ambrose beats Rollins after Kane music hits and Ambrose rolls him up for the win.

I will get them out of my head, IF this booking lasts for the rest of the year, and he holds the SmackDown title and regularly beats everybody clean, including Cena and Orton. I'm not gonna be brainwashed into thinking he's now in the same booking class as Rollins and Reigns just
When did Rollins ever pin either of those guys clean lol. Or when has Reigns beat Cena? While I understand what your saying, but he doesn't need to beat both of them clean all at once to be one of the top guys. Lets say he beats Cena clean on a PPV. Then loses the title to Orton two months later. Does the mean Ambrose isn't a top guy?

He wasn't high on Punk and Bryan, but he wrestled them. Triple H wrestles anyone who's really hot with the crowd, because he wants to leech their heat onto himself. He certainly wasn't valued at WrestleMania where Brock Lesnar grabbed Dean by the neck and used Dean's tongue to wipe his ass, was he?
Being in the match with Brock is what counted, not the outcome. Nobody would have beaten Lesnar at Mania last year. Remember it was Bray Wyatt who was supposed to be the one jobbing to Lesnar at Mania. But Ambrose became popular and his stuff with Lesnar at Fastlane sold a Mania match between the two. Rollins got destroyed the same way as Ambrose at Battleground last year. Brock also even made Reigns look weak at Fastlane. He or Ambrose couldn't get in any offense on Brock, unless they doubled teamed on him. Who knows how pissed WWE is at Lesnar after the PED stuff. But I still expect Orton to be destroyed by Lesnar at Summerslam as well.

Something can easily change by tomorrow. In fact I don't put it past them to be fake odds. The odds of Ambrose winning clean against Rollins and then retaining at the PPV are very low, especially since they always have a guy do a job before they give him a title. That's how they always do it. Not to mention, the amount of times they've mentioned that SmackDown is inferior to Raw, it just doesn't make sense for SmackDown to win that main event. WWE are in the Raw business.
It's possible something could change tomorrow, but it's unlikely this late in the game. Yes we saw a shocking last minute change to Rollins favorite over Reigns last month. But we all know why that happen. Also there's no fake odds nonsense, this is real betting for real money. WWE insiders, writers, wrestlers and such are likely betting on this stuff. I've been paying attention to the odds and outcome all year.


So far no favorite in a big match at PPV has not won. The odds called Ambrose winning MITB two days before it happen and like I mentioned above picked up on Rollins beating Reigns last month. While B ppvs like Battleground, in Payback and Extreme Rules at this point never changed a thing. So we will see what happens over the next 15 hours or so. But at least right now the plan is for Ambrose to win the match. That if anything should tell you the company is a little more high on him then you might want to believe.

I'm not convinced he's going to be any higher than #3. History is against him.
Maybe five years ago. It's not like WWE has been putting Cena or Orton in the main event picture much the last two years. Remember Cena was defending US title last year and after Orton jobbed to Rollins at two straight PPVs. He went on to feud with Sheamus for a few months before he got hurt. So if WWE is willing for Ambrose to beat Owens 4 times, Jericho 3 times, win the title , beat AJ, Rollins and potentially Reigns at the PPV. Well I like his chances of being pushed on that show just fine. Ambrose has youth and good health on his side. That's something you can't say about Cena, Orton or AJ(youth wise). Remember they put Ambrose on this show and away from Rollins/Reigns for a reason. I think it's to shine in the main event scene.
 
#35 ·
Reading comprehension skills are horrid in here and the title is misleading. It said Randy will be the top face of HOUSE SHOWS :lol That has nothing to do with Smackdown.

Although, I don't get why he's top face of house shows. I'd expect Dean would take on that role. Dean doesn't draw bad at house shows, so I don't see why he wouldn't get top billing.
 
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