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Old 05-01-2013, 07:58 AM   #111 (permalink)
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At Ziggler tapping clean to Del Rio. It's happened before on a few occasions, but now he's the World Champion they should at least attempt to book him better, but no, that's too much to ask. People complaining in this thread about Bryan and Cesaro losing, but Ziggler losing as World Champion is much worse. For two weeks he wasn't even on Smackdown, and now he's tapped clean to Del Rio, lost clean to Jack Swagger, this may be one the Worst booked World Title reigns I'll witness, and it's pathetic to see my favorite wrestler in the company get booked like this.

I said I would watch Smackdown every week now Ziggler's World Champion, but fuck that, I'm not watching this, may just catch the Ambrose/Kane match but that's it.

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I think he meant GOAT as in, he looks like a billy goat, that's kind of his thing now. Could be wrong though...
No they call him ''GOAT'' because his marks think it's funny to call him GOAT - as in Greatest Of All Time. It's existed on this forum way before Bryan was known as goat face.
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Old 05-01-2013, 08:54 AM   #112 (permalink)
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Humorous.

10 matches off the top of my head:

Punk: Over The Limit/Money in the Bank 2012
Ziggler: Bragging Rights 2010.
Sheamus: Extreme Rules 2012
The Shield: TLC 2012
Henry: Smackdown 2011 (Cage)
Jericho: Raw 2013
Regal: Superstars 2011
Miz: Night of Champions 2011
Barrett: Summerslam 2011
Those are his best matches. Punk's best match was against Cena. Henry's best matches were against Orton. Sheamus had his best match with Big Show at HIAC. The Shield did great at TLC, but they also did great at Elimination Chamber and WM -- so maybe it has more to do with them than working with DB. Jericho's best matches since coming back were with Ziggler. Miz's best match was actually at WM27 until Rock came out; he also had a good set of matches against Cesaro. Barrett had good matches with Orton.

Also if Daniel Bryan was so great in the ring CM Punk wouldn't have done this:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xz4...t#.UYEeYbWG18E

How on earth could Punk decline dream match for the IWC at WM 27? This was pre-pipe bomb by the way. He says DB is better than him in the ring but he doesn't mean it.
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Those are his best matches. Punk's best match was against Cena. Henry's best matches were against Orton. Sheamus had his best match with Big Show at HIAC. The Shield did great at TLC, but they also did great at Elimination Chamber and WM -- so maybe it has more to do with them than working with DB. Jericho's best matches since coming back were with Ziggler. Miz's best match was actually at WM27 until Rock came out; he also had a good set of matches against Cesaro. Barrett had good matches with Orton.

Also if Daniel Bryan was so great in the ring CM Punk wouldn't have done this:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xz4...t#.UYEeYbWG18E

How on earth could Punk decline dream match for the IWC at WM 27? This was pre-pipe bomb by the way. He says DB is better than him in the ring but he doesn't mean it.
Why would you blame Punk? Daniel Bryan has always been presented as a perennial loser/joke in the WWE, it's insulting for anyone with legitimate star power to have to work a serious program with the guy at a show lke Mania if it isn't an utter squash match.
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Why would you blame Punk? Daniel Bryan has always been presented as a perennial loser/joke in the WWE, it's insulting for anyone with legitimate star power to have to work a serious program with the guy at a show lke Mania if it isn't an utter squash match.
What? Daniel Bryan was booked strong at that time. He just came off taking the title the US title from Miz. CM Punk was not a main event guy at that time. CM Punk should have accepted this match with Daniel Bryan. He robbed the IWC of having a dream match at WM.
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Say what you want about creative, but atleast they are keeping it consistent with Ziggler. Just because he became World Champion, doesnt mean he suddenly starts winning all the time. So in that aspect, creative is doing it right.

However, its a fucked up situation because creative had him lose so much before he won the title.
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At Ziggler tapping clean to Del Rio. It's happened before on a few occasions, but now he's the World Champion they should at least attempt to book him better, but no, that's too much to ask. People complaining in this thread about Bryan and Cesaro losing, but Ziggler losing as World Champion is much worse. For two weeks he wasn't even on Smackdown, and now he's tapped clean to Del Rio, lost clean to Jack Swagger, this may be one the Worst booked World Title reigns I'll witness, and it's pathetic to see my favorite wrestler in the company get booked like this.

I said I would watch Smackdown every week now Ziggler's World Champion, but fuck that, I'm not watching this, may just catch the Ambrose/Kane match but that's it?



No they call him ''GOAT'' because his marks think it's funny to call him GOAT - as in Greatest Of All Time. It's existed on this forum way before Bryan was known as goat face.
Heel champions literally NEVER win on TV, that's a rule WWE have had since the very beginning. It's so it can look like the challengers are going to take the belt at the PPV. It's the same treatment every other heel has gotten, why should Ziggler be any different.
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Also nice to see bookers putting Ryback with Bryan, they know you want a good match, you work with the greatest.

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I'll watch this for Bryan/Ryback, just to see more evidence that DB can literally carry anyone to a decent match, and Kane/Ambrose because FUCK YEAH!
Daniel Bryan once carried Khali through an entertaining match, that's how good he is.
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What? Daniel Bryan was booked strong at that time. He just came off taking the title the US title from Miz. CM Punk was not a main event guy at that time. CM Punk should have accepted this match with Daniel Bryan. He robbed the IWC of having a dream match at WM.
CM Punk was still a star in the promotion, not a top 3 guy, but still a star for them who actually mainevented multiple PPVs for them. Daniel Bryan US Champ was a prelim guy who could beat other prelim guys but would be used like a Kofi Kingston US champion as jobber fodder to guys with real star power. Hence getting squashed by Sheamus in a minute after Sheamus lost the WWE title.
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Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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CM Punk was still a star in the promotion, not a top 3 guy, but still a star for them who actually mainevented multiple PPVs for them. Daniel Bryan US Champ was a prelim guy who could beat other prelim guys but would be used like a Kofi Kingston US champion as jobber fodder to guys with real star power. Hence getting squashed by Sheamus in a minute after Sheamus lost the WWE title.
Daniel Bryan just came off beating Miz for the title. Miz then went on to become WWE Champion within a month or so. That made Bryan look very credible. Bottom line, if CM Punk really thought Bryan was so great in the ring he would have jumped at the chance to work with him.
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Daniel Bryan just came off beating Miz for the title. Miz then went on to become WWE Champion within a month or so. That made Bryan look very credible. Bottom line, if CM Punk really thought Bryan was so great in the ring he would have jumped at the chance to work with him.
It has nothing to do with in-ring ability, it has everything to do with perception on the position on the card. Daniel Bryan is a prelim guy who wasn't even a big enough star to have his match that year even stay on the main card, Punk wanted to be in a headline match. Daniel Bryan vs CM Punk for the US title is a pre-lim match that would be scheduled for 10 minutes at Mania, but would be cut to 4 minutes after Billy Kidman fucks up the timing schedules. And the only reason Daniel Bryan won the US itle, was to give him a status symbol to job out to everyone else higher than him on the card afterwards (which he did 1 night after winning the title by getting squashed by Sheamus in a minute, and then again getting squashed by Sheamus in 4 minutes the next week). Just like his MITB win, and just like his WHC win. It's better to have a enhancement talent with some past recognition, than a Tyson Kidd who has none.

Punk made 4 times the Mania bonus wrestling Orton, and would've made 15 times the payoff wrestling Cena in the headline match versus wrestling Daniel Bryan at Mania 28.
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