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Old 10-17-2012, 03:15 PM   #231 (permalink)
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Everything you said from a talent perspective is an absolute lie, and I've already explained why he's not over more in depthly, because he's been fucked with so much. Maybe you should go read that post and enlighten yourself.

And really, people care about Big Show? Yeah, he's over because he's been in wrestling for like 20 fucking years, but nobody wants him anywhere near the main event, casuals included. I guarantee if Big Show was fired unjustly there would NOT be a rally to bring him back. There would be for Cena, there would be for Punk, Sheamus, Orton, Rey, etc, even Kane, but not for Big Show.
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Old 10-17-2012, 05:01 PM   #232 (permalink)
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They are flip flopping the IC Championship far too much and it's again sinking in credibility, after Rhodes built it back up again.

Brodus losing in three minutes? He is so far in the doghouse right now.

Sucks Barrett lost, damn.
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Old 10-17-2012, 05:25 PM   #233 (permalink)
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Let's see...

Sheamus and Barrett again? With Barrett losing again...

Ziggler losing again...

Cody and Sandow facing jobbers...

Btw was that Ted DiBiase's return to Smackdown? Losing to Cesaro in three minutes? Sad, but I can't say I'm surprised...

Yeah, looks like I'm not tuning into Smackdown again. It's been over a month since I watched a Smackdown episode now.

Edit: Only just seen that Kofi is the new IC Champion. Whatever. I've never cared for either guy so this doesn't really bother me.
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Old 10-17-2012, 06:18 PM   #234 (permalink)
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Jesus, you keep complaining that everyone's had a reign but than want them to throw one on barret regardless of where he is and what he's doing. It's a completely nonsensical argument.
Your basically saying without the wwe title no-one cares and its blatantly not true. Creative missed an opportunity with barret 2 years ago, creative constantly do this in all wrestling companies. It doesn't mean the companies hate them, writers ate just fallible. Think about all the wrestlers who were nobodys but got repackaged into massive stars later.

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- Barrett loses to Sheamus. I'm getting sick of the Sheamus booking. They can't even put a heel over dirty. And then they wonder why Sheamus comes out to half silence. I was hoping for a proper feud between them, but it will just end the same as every Sheamus feud.

- Miz loses to Randy boring as hell Snoreton. You know when Randy loses a big one against Show he has to make up for it by winning his next match. There are no strong heels on Smackdown. Lest we count nobodygivesadamnDelRio and PPV jobber Big Show. And even they suck.

- Rhodes Scholar squash match that nobody cares about. How can anybody get into a match when you know the outcome? I'm sick of predictable squashes.

- Job Ziggler eating the pin as always. He's going to be the absolute shittiest world champion when he cashes in. Worse than Bryan was because of this trash booking. I'm no Ziggler mark, but come on.

- DiBiase is a jobber. Lol.
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Everything you said from a talent perspective is an absolute lie, and I've already explained why he's not over more in depthly, because he's been fucked with so much. Maybe you should go read that post and enlighten yourself.

And really, people care about Big Show? Yeah, he's over because he's been in wrestling for like 20 fucking years, but nobody wants him anywhere near the main event, casuals included. I guarantee if Big Show was fired unjustly there would NOT be a rally to bring him back. There would be for Cena, there would be for Punk, Sheamus, Orton, Rey, etc, even Kane, but not for Big Show.
Creative has fucked many people over recently, yet they are still able to get reactions from the crowd. The Miz is a good example. You can't get much of a reaction if you don't know how to win over a crowd. Whether it be in the ring or through a promo.

Actually, I want Big Show in the main event. The guy is excellent at putting people over and he's doing that with Sheamus right now. Barrett feuding with Sheamus would accomplish absolutely nothing.

And besides, Show has a fan base and can get a reaction from the crowd. The superstars you listed are all obviously much more popular than Big Show (Kane is arguable), but to say no one would care is stupid. The guy is a near 20 year vet. Of course people are going to care.

However on the flip side, if Barrett were to be released, you wouldn't have too many people complaining because the guy has not been relevant since his debut.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:44 AM   #238 (permalink)
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Losses aren't burials. They guy isn't getting squashed, he's putting on hard fought matches with the world heavyweight champ.

Losing in a tough match to Sheamus is better than squashing JTG or beating Drew McIntyre in a normal match.

Beating those guys gets you nowhere. Losing to Sheamus in a close match puts you up higher on the food chain.


Especially if you stop it with the unrealistic expectations that WWE needs to put the world title on him. lol? No they don't. . .he doesn't deserve that either imo. At least half a dozen other guys deserve that more than Barret.

You should be glad he's even in matches with the big dogs and being booked to look like a force against them. That's a step up for him. . .and it'd be a step up for half the roster who doesn't get afforded the same luxury.

Maybe it will lead to something else. But to expect a WHC right NOW? You're just setting yourself up for dissappointment. That's a self-fufilling prophecy due to unrealistic expectations.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:02 AM   #239 (permalink)
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And with a world championship.

I'm not blaming them for using politics, I'm saying I don't want them to use it because I can't stand these fuckers, they're horrible performers, and because they're horrible performers, I don't want them to get world titles, I don't want them to get wins, and I don't want them to get more money. Especially over the people who actually deserve them. I never said it was their FAULT for playing politics, I GET it.
Heh heh. Perhaps your faves should get a few tips from them then? They don't appear to be doing enough backstage to pick their spot, eh?

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Why do you watch? I just have to ask, since you're giving me the impression that you think literally nothing that ever happens matters. It doesn't matter who main events, it doesn't matter who midcards, it doesn't matter who jobs, everybody is just in a role and it makes no difference who does what. If I've said something you don't agree with, then correct me because reading this conversation, that's what I'm getting from you, and I don't know why somebody with that mentality would have any desire to follow a product where you don't care about who goes where.
Now just hold on one minute. When did I ever say that the person picked for a role doesn't matter? That’s a ridiculous notion in terms of business and, to a lesser extent, my own opinion, although that counts for little in the scheme of what you’re describing. The people are picked for the roles based on what the company wants to be represented as and give the fans a chance to select and follow. I honestly have no idea why you went down that path, although it's curious that my questioning your philosophy has prompted this assumption. The way you speak of this is similar to one investing themselves in a sports team.

As for myself, let me put it this way: we're old enough and (should be) wise enough to have the insight into what the company presents as important and what is put aside as of lesser value. I think what your idea of what is important is flip-flopping because you’ve been speaking of booking all throughout this thread and question the current state, yet are so adamant he must win a prop that has lost a fair bit of its significance in a writing point of view. Discussing those things, as well as watching these strange, dedicated people go out and try their hand in this form of storytelling is far, far more interesting to me than 85% of material the company churns out and labels family entertainment (especially on the flagship show).

Before it's brought up, I do value the world title. It's the most important prop the company can possess and should really be treated as such. However, since this company is becoming more about family entertainment rather than professional wrestling, the company props its main draw card in Cena and a few other huge names above all else. People will contest that business calls for such measures but I argue that it’ll come at the expense of other business ventures and marquee acts. I’m beginning to digress from my original point though, so I’ll stop there for now

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No, it isn't a better position, it's the SAME position. There are only 2 positions in WWE, world champions and non world champions. Barrett has never had a shot with the world title, therefore, nobody takes him seriously and never will unless Vince lets go of whatever petty grudge he's always had against English talent (and has prominently displayed this on tv with things such as Pirate gimmicks and humiliating William Regal, one of the greatest all around performers in history almost as badly as Jim Ross) and puts him in the spot where he belongs, with the title.
You want the best for Barrett because you rate him highly, but the titles nowadays certainly don’t guarantee they’ll be treated as heightened commodities. As for you taking him more seriously with the title, well, didn’t you say you think Sheamus looks so ridiculous that he can’t be considered a threat? The near-invincibility of his booking certainly didn’t save him from your critique.

I certainly won’t take the current Barrett seriously as champ, nor will many others, because there’s nothing of value behind him whilst in that position. No direction, no particularly investment-worthy programs outside of maybe Sheamus (although they may’ve burnt up a bit of their meal ticket already with that one), pretty boring character that will undoubtedly fall into the same ‘cowardly heel on the run from the face’ archetype that has made up a huge chunk of the ME scene for the past three years. And after he loses it, then what? Probably back to the position he is now.

You can interpret what makes a success story based on what the company says, but you're experienced enough to know or speculate when things are genuine and when they aren't. The main event scene is not very prosperous one and the titles aren’t held in the same esteem as they once were. They don’t even ensure the guy’s spot will be safe anymore due to the haphazardness of guys like Swagger getting the push and then realizing he’s not working as much as they’d like.

So why is it again you want Barrett to get that much eluded world title? What huge changes will it bring? Do you consider that the totem pole of your own taste in wrestlers, the world titles that is? Is that a form of validation on your part, his, or both?
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They really are setting up Ziggler to fail. What utter bullshit.
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