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Old 04-06-2014, 11:32 AM   #41 (permalink)
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At the most he's a midcard/upper midcarder to me so he's definitely not a maineventer. And that's what I view as he's best. He's just so good at playing at the jobber role I'd find it hard to see him credible enough to be in the main event let alone being the face of the company.
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Old 04-06-2014, 11:52 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Except for the fact that Ziggler is actually very good in the ring, and anyone who says otherwise is absolutely delusional. He's been a midcarder for all of his career (when he wasn't a jobber), and he has still managed to pull off some great matches, showing great versatility in terms of move execution and, when given the time to actually have meaningful match, good in ring psychology. And yes, I know most people on here deny that, and claim that all he does is throw himself around the ring, or that he's a spot monkey, but such people are merely kidding themselves.
Nope, Ziggler is definitely a spot monkey. I won't deny that he's had his matches where a story is actually being told and flows very nicely (I've said it numerous times now, his match against Del Rio at Payback was one of the best displays of storytelling we have seen in a very long time), but for the most part his matches lack any actual sense or logic and are just moves after moves. He is decent at best, he still has a LOT of work to do to improve.

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Maybe the hardcore fans can take the energy they use to cheer Daniel Bryan and cheer Ziggler? You want him to get a push? Chant his name in segments he's not in. I'd love to see him get pushed.
Yes because the crowd reaction is the ONLY reason Bryan's getting pushed. You're anti Bryan comments are getting annoying and quite frankly don't make a lot of sense.

And a shitload of fans could come into Vinces office and chant Ziggler right in front of him, Vince is still not going to push Ziggler. The only thing that can get Ziggler his push back is Ziggler, because Ziggler is the one that took that away for himself in the first place.

With that said, Reigns is not better than Ziggler in the ring. Just no.
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Old 04-06-2014, 12:28 PM   #43 (permalink)
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You know, its funny. I always hear about how Triple H was punished for the MSG incident and he was pushed down because of it. Yeah, that only lasted about 4 or 5 months, and all it really cost him was the KOTR tourney win that was given to Austin. By the end of the year, he was in an IC Title match with Mero which was the main angle of that Raw where Perfect turned heel and helped him win the title, and HHH was on the upward tick forever on afterward.

So here is my question: What the fuck did Dolph Ziggler do to deserve a massive depush like the one he's gotten? I mean he's gotten it way worse than HHH.
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Old 04-06-2014, 12:42 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Nope, Ziggler is definitely a spot monkey. I won't deny that he's had his matches where a story is actually being told and flows very nicely (I've said it numerous times now, his match against Del Rio at Payback was one of the best displays of storytelling we have seen in a very long time), but for the most part his matches lack any actual sense or logic and are just moves after moves. He is decent at best, he still has a LOT of work to do to improve.
Lol. Please learn what a fucking spot monkey is. Please do. Because you clearly haven't got a fucking clue. Ziggler is not a spot monkey. Period. It's fucking simple. Sabu was a spot monkey. That's a real spot monkey. Ziggler is nothing close. A spot monkey is someone who lacks in ring psychology and relies solely on spots to get through matches. A spot monkey's matches tend to lack any sort of flow, and their moves tend to lack any sort of rational reasoning.

Ziggler is great n the ring. The only matches of his that are spotty are those in which he has 5 Minutes of filler against another midcarder in an awful concept of a match like a "Present on a Pole" match. Besides that, he is actually good in the ring. Really good, actually. He knows how to have good matches and can even somewhat carry guys to having a good match. Examples include the Miz and Batista(wasn't really good, but the best he'd been in, thus far, since returning). His matches flow, and he performs moves for a reason, and actually, better than most on the roster, in most cases. So please try again.
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No sir, Ziggler's best match is with Bryan. Bryan's best match was with Punk.
No, not at all.

Also, Ziggler a spot-monkey my backside. I've seen spotmonkey, he's not it.
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Old 04-06-2014, 01:03 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Except for the fact that Ziggler is actually very good in the ring, and anyone who says otherwise is absolutely delusional. He's been a midcarder for all of his career (when he wasn't a jobber), and he has still managed to pull off some great matches, showing great versatility in terms of move execution and, when given the time to actually have meaningful match, good in ring psychology. And yes, I know most people on here deny that, and claim that all he does is throw himself around the ring, or that he's a spot monkey, but such people are merely kidding themselves.

Reigns sucks in the ring, whereas Ziggler is very good in the ring. Reigns sucks on the mic, whereas Ziggler may not be the best on the mic, on average, but is ultimately capable of delivering quality promos. And they both seem to be charismatic. So in no way is Reigns better than Ziggler.

I'd love to see Ziggler in the Main Event. He's really fun to watch, and, for many, really easy to get behind. He'd produce some memorable matches, and, I think he could hang with the top guys. I thought he showed that well during his feud with Cena.
He's already produced a good amount of quality/memorable matches (I think his personal best was with Punk on Raw). So I was definitely being unduly harsh on him when I compared him to Reigns. In-ring wise, he's much, much, much better. But not as good as to be called one of the "best" on the roster. For the record: he's not a spot monkey. That's just balls to say.

Now, considering he already has memorable matches as a mid carder, what would be the point of making him a main event talent? Why move the cow into your living room when he's producing milk in the barn (anyway)? Can the cow hold a decent conversation? No. Is he especially compelling outside of the milk he makes? No.

I realize my analogy is comical, for the record.
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Old 04-06-2014, 01:10 PM   #47 (permalink)
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He needs a make over. I can't take anyone seriously with that hair and name. A main eventer named ziggler really? Going to do media appearances for the WWE and promotions with that.

" and I would like to introduce WWE champion Ziggler...." It sounds like a joke.
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Old 04-06-2014, 01:18 PM   #48 (permalink)
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He's already produced a good amount of quality/memorable matches (I think his personal best was with Punk on Raw). So I was definitely being unduly harsh on him when I compared him to Reigns. In-ring wise, he's much, much, much better. But not as good as to be called one of the "best" on the roster. For the record: he's not a spot monkey. That's just balls to say.

Now, considering he already has memorable matches as a mid carder, what would be the point of making him a main event talent? Why move the cow into your living room when he's producing milk in the barn (anyway)? Can the cow hold a decent conversation? No. Is he especially compelling outside of the milk he makes? No.

I realize my analogy is comical, for the record.
I would say he's one of the best on the roster. The best on the roster (excluding Punk since he's not really on the roster ATM, and part-timers) would be Bryan, Cesaro, Zayn, Del Rio, Cena, Sheamus, Ziggler, Rollins, Harper, Christian, both Rhodes Brothers, and Axel. Ziggler is one of the top guys in the ring, I'd say. I don't see why he wouldn't be. He's really shown that he can bring it in the ring and has had a variety of god to great matches. And he still brings it in the ring, whether it's on Superstars, Raw, SD, or Main Event.

As for him being a Main Event guy, I don't know for sure whether or not he would make a good Main Event talent, but I think he should get a chance. He's one of the more over guys on the roster despite staggering in midcard hell for a while, and he's pretty over, even among "casuals". If he is capable of getting the crowd majorly behind him, and has shown that he has what it takes in the ring, why not give him a chance? Besides, I think he's decent enough on the mic to have a spot in the Main Event. He can deliver a really good promo on occasion, despite the fact that his usual promos may not be of the greatest quality.

I was more so quoting RetepAdam. than you, btw.
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Old 04-06-2014, 02:54 PM   #49 (permalink)
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With there only being one World Title now? No way. I enjoy Ziggler in the ring, but there is no way in hell he should be in the WWE WHC title picture right now.
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Ziggler needs to:

1. Grow some backbone in ring. Stop bumping like a fish out of water for EVERY DAMN MOVE.
2. Calm himself on the mic and control his cadence and tone.
3. Add some better offense to his moveset.

He's the perfect upper midcard guy, the "gateway" to the main event if you will.
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