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Old 09-30-2013, 03:16 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is WWE saving Punk v Bryan for WrestleMania?

Usually I think they prefer to have Wrestlemania sell, so I doubt it.

I'm not even trolling, I just dont think they have enough faith in Bryan or Punk to carry a PPV where they might not have Rock or HHH.
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Cena doesn't draw jack shit nowadays except for when he's with guys like the Rock in the ring..the glory days are long gone now...Austin, Rock, all of those guys were the highest the WWE will ever get, nobody can be them..they need to deal with what they have now...Punk and Bryan do fine in the drawing department...if they didn't draw, then why are they around the title picture? and why is Punk getting another opportunity?
No one can draw like those guys of old these days, wrestling just isn't as popular as it use to be.
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Old 09-30-2013, 03:19 PM   #103 (permalink)
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there we go, that doesn't mean Punk and Bryan aren't draws, people love them...they just aren't as big as those guys from back in the day, no one ever will be..wrestling will never be that popular again. Vince McMahon has taken over and he does what he wants....and most of the time, its the wrong thing..thats why people get turned off.
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there we go, that doesn't mean Punk and Bryan aren't draws, people love them...they just aren't as big as those guys from back in the day, no one ever will be..wrestling will never be that popular again. Vince McMahon has taken over and he does what he wants....and most of the time, its the wrong thing..thats why people get turned off.
Wrestling can become popular again with the right stars and great booking. The problem is that Bryan and Punk do not fit the mold of the future Hogans, Austins, Stings or Rocks. Both are great in ring performers but neither have the "it" factor. The business of professional wrestling is more than just great in ring work but also ring psychology, a larger than life natural charisma, credible size(yes it does matter because perception is very important) and frankly a wrestler that the crowds care about and the wrestler connects to.
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Old 09-30-2013, 03:25 PM   #105 (permalink)
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The simple fact that it's the McMahon's at Wrestlemania 30 warrants it closing the show in their eyes at the very least. Don't be delusional. A lot of folks here may not think it's a big deal but if WWE actually do book Cena/HHH for control of the company you had better believe they are going to hype that shit to holy heaven.

So Taker/Brock is a bigger match than HHH/Cena with control of the WWE on the line and a laundry list of McMahon family shenanigans purely because Brock and Taker are involved but you argued tooth and nail that HHH/Brock with HHH's career on the line wasn't a bigger match than Taker/Punk? Dat delusion.



Taker/Brock is absolutely bigger than almost anything they could do with Cena/HHH unless it was something where the actual fate of the company was on the line (as in if HHH wins, it dies, Cena wins, it lives) or something crazy like that, which they wouldn't do anyway as it would make no sense. You're putting too much stock into the McMahons and HHH and Cena (which I'm not surprised by, but I suppose it does feed into your delusion of the situation).

As for the Taker/Punk and Brock/HHH, I've already explained that time and time again to the point I don't care anymore. But to put it simply, it's close, and I have no problem with anyone saying Brock/HHH was bigger, and I don't entirely disagree with it, but at the same time I just don't know. Taker's streak>HHH's career, but at the same time Brock>>>>>Punk, but the Taker/Punk storyline had more of a personal feel to it due to real life events, but Brock/HHH hadpersonal issues itself with what happened with Vince. Take that as you will, but it's not as clear cut as some would make it seem.
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Punk's only won 1 PPV match this year though. While he's had a bunch of big time matches, he's lost all of them. Going over Jericho means dick.

Not entirely true.

January Royal Rumble Punk beats Rock, match restarted Rock beats Punk. Win/Loss: 1-1
February Elimination Chamber Rock beats Punk. Win/Loss: 1-2
April WrestleMania Undertaker defeated CM Punk Win/Loss: 1-3
May Extreme Rules No-Show. On break. Win/Loss: Neither
June Payback Punk beat Jericho Win/Loss: 2-3
July Money in the Bank Randy Orton won MITB, Punk not pinned or submitted Win/Loss: 2-4
August SummerSlam Lesnar beats Punk Win/Loss: 2-5
September Night of Champions Punk beats Axel, Heyman beats Punk via Ryback Win/Loss: 3-6

3-6 Win/Loss rate. Throw in all Punk's wins on RAW and he's doing just fine this year.

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Some underdog is that 5 time World/WWE Champion who had the longest title reign in 25 years.

I think Punk and even Bryan have come too far for them to play the underdog card at this point. Benoit and Eddie were just having their lone title reigns at the time of WM20 and were genuine underdogs because not only were they booked as such, but they went through a lot of shit involving politics and other stuff for several years.
Well that's the point. Who would have thought so? Both coming from the Indies and one of them got fired already. Punk was almost on his way out too. Years later they have the homage of main eventing the 30th anniversary of WM (if it actually happens). 2 guys with looks that contracdict the main event caliber the company usually looks for. 2 guys to prove Vince numerous of times they shouldn't be put in the middle of a card. Together standing tall and close the show.

Underdog probably was the wrong term but you get what I'm saying.
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Default Re: Is WWE saving Punk v Bryan for WrestleMania?

The way I see it is Mania 30 is Punks final and/or last chance to close the show at Wrestlemania.

Bryan and Punk are easily the 2 most over superstars on the roster with ease. The pops they have been getting weekly for months is out of this world. These 2 are no longer mid carders, Punk is a former champion of 434 straight days while Bryan is a 2 time champion who has been the focal point of Raw. The quality of there match would be out of this world and wouldn't disappoint. It just depends what storyline they were given for the feud. The match doesn't have enough star power to close the 30th anniversary of the biggest PPV on the calendar, to some people like myself it would honestly be a dream match at a dream event, but the star power would definetely lower the chances of this happening.

But in saying that no one deserves that mainevent spot more then Punk and Bryan is slowly getting there.
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Old 09-30-2013, 03:51 PM   #110 (permalink)
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Bryan vs. Punk in the main event of Mania would be a great idea. WWE doesn't sell Mania on one match, it's sold on a supercard of top matches that are PPV closers in their own right.

For example, Taker vs. Punk wasn't the main event however it was sold as a top featured match and there are some people that bought WM 29 to see THAT match, not Rock vs. Cena II or HHH vs. Lesnar II. Therefore, a Bryan vs. Punk match, say with the WWE title, will be pushed as a featured match, however we won't know it's the closer until the night of the event. The WWE will have already collected the cash by then and us tuning out or not becomes irrelevant at that point.

Cena will be front and center on posters and will have a big Mania match (and maybe moment). So will Undertaker, and likely HHH and/or Lesnar, and possibly Rock, but they do not need to be in the last match.
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