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Old 07-27-2013, 08:21 PM   #81 (permalink)
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It's a prop on a TV show. Nothing more.
So the wrestlers are just "TV characters" and there's no point to this whole forum? You type of people are no fun.
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Old 07-27-2013, 08:54 PM   #82 (permalink)
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We've had three champions in the last 615 days. The WWE Championship is just fine.
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Old 07-27-2013, 09:33 PM   #83 (permalink)
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All the titles are worthless.

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Old 07-27-2013, 09:43 PM   #84 (permalink)
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Do you not remember earlier this year, the longest title reign in 25 years and the 5th longest title reign of all time. It saw Punk retain for over a year as both heel and face. His title reign propelled him to one of the top guys in wrestling. Eventually turning him heel and it was like the ring in Lord of the Rings. He was so passionate about the title it destroyed him to the point he would do anything to keep it. Losing it only to one of the greatest guys in wrestling history The Rock.

CM Punk brought back to the WWE what had been missing for so long dedication, aggression and meaning to the WWE title he made it a championship and The Rock turned it back to a prop again. If anything ruined the title it was the fact The Rock ended it and was used as a prop to coincide with his films release and to bring mainstream media to the product effectively to do nothing with it but drop it to Cena.
Yeah I pretty much agree with this, even though Rock marks will get pissy. It's got nothing to do with The Rock, I would do it to if I was in his shoes - it's the company not giving a shit. They don't look at it like the title losing "meaning" - it was a way to gain a little pub.

Let's be honest, I like WWE - don't get me wrong, but they don't value the purist POV of a lot of these wrestling traditions. Which is negative & positive, if they did value it we would of never had the edgy ass late 90's period, on the other hand they'll also do anything to make an extra dollar. Double edged sword, really.
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Old 07-27-2013, 09:46 PM   #85 (permalink)
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What in the hell are you talking about? Seriously blood sweat and tears? I can damn well guarantee you John Cena cares more about the belt then Hogan and Warrior ever did. Seriously the complaining on this site is ridiculous. The Belt in the attitude era was more of a prop then it has been the past 2 years. The roster was deep? That's why the only people to hold it at that time were: Stone Cold, The Rock, HHH, Undertaker and I guess you have to include foley. They didn't have a WHC then either so you can pretty much say its the same number now as it was then. Seriously everything seems better when your 8 and 9 but trust me the title picture wasn't any more meaningful then as it is now
Uh no. This is absolutely incorrect.

Its a simple concept. Matches back then meant something. Who won a title mattered. Can't say the same about this era.

Look at it this way. Back then, all the major story arcs that were built up ultimately culminated with the WWF title being up for grabs. It was quite brilliantly done. First you have the Rock, the man who sold out and became the Corporate champion in Vince's pocket. The man at the other end of that screwjob was Mankind, who was determined to get the glory and the belt. He and Rock engaged in an all out war for the title over the course of 4 months. On the other side of the spectrum, you have Steve Austin, the man previously screwed out of the belt, having to jump through hoop after hoop just to get a shot a shot at participating in a match where, if he won, he'd have a shot at the WWF title. Eventually, after 6 odd months, the storylines finally merge and you have Rock vs Austin at WM15-the finale to both major story arcs happening at the time, in 1 match, where the title was the grand prize. THAT is how you build prestige.

Letting the champion pick his opponent and then having the company shit all over his choice does NOT build prestige. It destroys it.

The fact that you'd actually say the title was more of a prop back then than now kinda shows you weren't watching, and thus shouldn't comment.

You also kinda forgot a few names on that list of yours. "Stone Cold, The Rock, HHH, Undertaker and I guess you have to include foley..." Now its EVIDENT you weren't watching.

There ARE reasons why people were so big on that time period, you know. Its not just "its older; therefore, its better."
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Old 07-27-2013, 09:52 PM   #86 (permalink)
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Do you not remember earlier this year, the longest title reign in 25 years and the 5th longest title reign of all time. It saw Punk retain for over a year as both heel and face. His title reign propelled him to one of the top guys in wrestling. Eventually turning him heel and it was like the ring in Lord of the Rings. He was so passionate about the title it destroyed him to the point he would do anything to keep it. Losing it only to one of the greatest guys in wrestling history The Rock.

CM Punk brought back to the WWE what had been missing for so long dedication, aggression and meaning to the WWE title he made it a championship and The Rock turned it back to a prop again. If anything ruined the title it was the fact The Rock ended it and was used as a prop to coincide with his films release and to bring mainstream media to the product effectively to do nothing with it but drop it to Cena.
I also am still baffled by this idea that a long title run somehow equates to a good title run. Punk's run was totally forgettable. The only things noteworthy were when he turned heel and then lost it to Rock.

And no, his title reign didn't propel him to be one of the top guys in wrestling. His shoot promo in Vegas and winning the title at MiTB 2011 and walking out MADE the guy.

Dedication? Aggression? Meaning? Is that why he was never main eventing? Is that why he was constantly running away? And how can you say he was more aggressive during that time than anyone else who's had a title run? He was the exact same and you know it.
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Old 07-27-2013, 09:56 PM   #87 (permalink)
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The last time I found the WWE title to be really great was Eddie Guerrero's and JBL's reigns. After that, it felt like everybody was chasing Cena and not the belt...like 'oh, I want to beat Cena so I can have his spot and the title will be a nice little side deal'. Whereas back during say...Brock's 2003 reign, it was Angle saying 'I'm gonna beat Brock Lesnar for the WWE title to prove I am the best!. It used to be about the title and the competitive bouts for it and only recently with Daniel Bryan has it become that way again.

Take the Wrestlemania 29 main event, for example. The title has no significane in that match. Prior to Punk's mega reign, you go all the way back to Wrestlemania 27 and it's still a case of the 'angle' being bigger than the title. Cena losing out on the title at the hands of The Rock meant nothing: he got the mega payday of wrestling The Rock at Wrestlemania...twice, and the WWE title wasn't significant in either of those build-ups.
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Old 07-27-2013, 09:59 PM   #88 (permalink)
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I think the only time the WWE title meant something in the last few years was the build to Rock/Punk. THATS the benefit of a long title run. It means a lot more when the guy loses it.

It baffles me that WWE put the belt on Rock, only for the build to center around Cena's "bad" year anyway.


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Uh no. This is absolutely incorrect.

Its a simple concept. Matches back then meant something. Who won a title mattered. Can't say the same about this era.

Look at it this way. Back then, all the major story arcs that were built up ultimately culminated with the WWF title being up for grabs. It was quite brilliantly done. First you have the Rock, the man who sold out and became the Corporate champion in Vince's pocket. The man at the other end of that screwjob was Mankind, who was determined to get the glory and the belt. He and Rock engaged in an all out war for the title over the course of 4 months. On the other side of the spectrum, you have Steve Austin, the man previously screwed out of the belt, having to jump through hoop after hoop just to get a shot a shot at participating in a match where, if he won, he'd have a shot at the WWF title. Eventually, after 6 odd months, the storylines finally merge and you have Rock vs Austin at WM15-the finale to both major story arcs happening at the time, in 1 match, where the title was the grand prize. THAT is how you build prestige.

Letting the champion pick his opponent and then having the company shit all over his choice does NOT build prestige. It destroys it.

The fact that you'd actually say the title was more of a prop back then than now kinda shows you weren't watching, and thus shouldn't comment.

You also kinda forgot a few names on that list of yours. "Stone Cold, The Rock, HHH, Undertaker and I guess you have to include foley..." Now its EVIDENT you weren't watching.

There ARE reasons why people were so big on that time period, you know. Its not just "its older; therefore, its better."
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WWE Championship is just fine. If Bryan becomes champ, it will mean something. In case you haven't been paying attention, the crowds go apeshit for Bryan and want him to win it. If the title meant nothing, no one would care. Clearly most people still do.
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