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Old 07-24-2013, 10:33 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Loosing the title to The Rock was one of the most stupid fucking decisions ever made. The Rock utterly SHIT on the WWE between Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania. Its an utter disgrace how Vince allowed him to walk into the company, snap his fingers and get the title, and walk straight back out. I would be very happy if The Rock didn't ever come back to the WWE, he tarnished his own name in the past 2 years. Cena is just as bad, him getting the title isn't a big thing anymore, its usually just something we expect.
Punk's reign wouldn't have lasted as long as it did if it wasn't for his match with Rock. Never forget that. And he didn't shit on WWE or snap his fingers and get the title. Rock only got the belt to pass it on to Cena. It was always the plan. It was a nostalgic run for Rock in turn for him losing to Cena and giving him his win back. Might suck for some but thats how it is. Punk is lucky that he was the champ during all of this because the road to Mania 29 actually extended his run and when its all said and done he will go down as a guy who had a 434 day reign due to that.

His loss was not a bad decision in any form and it was going to happen sooner or later. Pretty sure Punk had no problem with losing because he benefited from an extended reign. Its people like you who fail to see things like that and get all upset over something so small.

I do hope Rock stays away though because of people with the nonsense that hes ruined his name. People need to go back to looking at the man for his overall career and not letting the recent, small part time run cloud their judgment. If its going to take The Rock being away from the picture for people to stop saying silly shit like this then Im all for it.
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:36 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:41 AM   #63 (permalink)
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They've been building themselves a good storyline here. Bryan is absolutely on fire and putting 1000% passion into his matches and is doing it all for the title.

I don't think it's in shambles at all. Punk's reign was awesome despite it being overshadowed by part timers. He managed to still make the title look great while it was playing second fiddle most of the time.

Also, don't give a fuck about 99% of the AE and it means literally nothing to me that people watched it and enjoyed it. Doesn't mean the title is in shambles now. I still care about it. But the AE did have some good main event feuds in Trips/Foley, Austin/Angle and Austin/Rock.

You HAVE to start giving the title to new people. Especially while someone like Cena and a few part timers are active. The stars of the past need to do their job and get other guys over so that the business can continue. I understand the whole "this guy is too good lol" and "that match wouldn't get PPV BUYS~!" but what else can you do? Keep using part timers until they're gone and then literally do nothing when you could be building plenty of perfectly good superstars that you already have. Losing out on money now to make money in the long run because there won't be any money in the long run if they don't make new stars. Wrestler's careers are getting shorter. You're not going to see a 53 yr old Cena wrestling.

"Dammit is that a challenge!"

I agree, the WWE Championship is actually in a good state at the minute, Punk's epic run stopped by The Rock who introduced a new championship and passed it over to the number one guy in Cena.

Like someone pointed out, your not likely to see any 'dud' reigns or 'practice' runs hopefully. I suspect Orton, Bryan (whose on fire and has reached the level to deserve it) Lesnar (possibly) and Punk could all have held it between now and this time next year and all of those would be credible.

The likes of The Shield and even Bray Wyatt could come into the fold late next year too.
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:14 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Loosing the title to The Rock was one of the most stupid fucking decisions ever made. The Rock utterly SHIT on the WWE between Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania. Its an utter disgrace how Vince allowed him to walk into the company, snap his fingers and get the title, and walk straight back out. I would be very happy if The Rock didn't ever come back to the WWE, he tarnished his own name in the past 2 years. Cena is just as bad, him getting the title isn't a big thing anymore, its usually just something we expect.


Yeah, Rock just walked in and took the title for his own ego, what about the fact half a million more people were interested in buying WrestleMania's 28 and 29 prior to him returning and all when he didn't need to ever comeback just so he could put over Vince's top guy today.

The Rock enhanced his legacy for anyone who 'gets it' as well as helping bring back the prestige to the title simply by becoming WWE Champion again and unveiling the current design.
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Fair enough, was a tad rude. Was mainly directed at the "you should be worshiping The Rock" people though. I mean I'm glad other people enjoyed it, I even did as well, as a youngin' but I said that so that I could save someone the trouble of saying "Raw drew ___ in 1999 and therefore it's amazing" and such. I just don't think someone has to be liked by the masses to be good, and vice versa.

Now you're right about quite a few things. Raw should only be two hours. I'm a big fan of TV matches being good, but I can agree that things get overdone. I think WWE actually should utilize less singles matches on Raw and use longer six man/four man tag matches.It really does feel like too much programming sometimes. I still think the people deserve a lengthy match or two though. I mean, at least that's what keeps me from just youtubing segments the next day.

It's true. The character times have left us but there's still some. I still consider a guy like Sandow to be a character. Even though he doesn't have a different type of name like Undertaker or Diesel, etc, he still certainly plays a character. Same with Fandango. And then there's guys with hints of character, like Del Rio. Unfortunately, most gimmicky characters are used as jobbers currently.

I think the biggest problem is still the booking of the midcard. There's not any kind of feuds like there was in say '04 or so. It's just series of matches, winner goes on to another series of matches with a new guy, etc. That's what needs to change. Because if you give these guys something to fight over and let them talk about it, I can see guys like Barrett or Axel getting a little more over if they actually had a reason for their matches.

But looking at the WWE title, I still think it's prestigious enough. It's obviously not 80's or 90's prestigious, but it still means quite a bit.
In respect to the fact that its still the most important title in the industry, yeah, its prestigious. The problem is that in years past, it felt way, way more important. Like, guys would jump through hoops of fire just to get a shot at it. Look at Austin-had to win a Buried Alive match against Taker to qualify for the 1999 Rumble, then come in at #1, lose, then fight Vince in a cage...all to get one title shot. Nowadays, if you lose the Rumble, don't worry. You can challenge at EC, along with 4-5 other guys. And if you lose there, you can still challenge for the OTHER world title at WM. Oh and there's 2 MiTB ladder matches in July where the winner gets a guaranteed title shot whenever they want. This is in addition to any other opportunities you may get during the year. Flooding the market with title shots makes winning the title seem...well, I won't say worthless, but nowhere near as prestigious.

Nothing feels really big anymore. Its not like I ever sit there on a Monday and think "I gotta tune into Raw, I can't miss this." Oh wait, I did feel that way for the Wyatt's debut. That's because its a such a different and unique character, which I love. That gets me hooked into things. Everything else feels totally par for the course. Its nice that Bryan is getting a title shot, but nothing at all about the feud makes me think "this is must see." Not even Rock/Cena was must see. Nothing except the Wyatts, and usually what Punk is doing (the Heyman/Lesnar stuff is fantastic), is must see.

I don't know if its because I'm a jaded fan or the industry just feels so cold and unspectacular at this point, but so little stands out as being something that I would have to tune in weekly to see because I was so excited by it.
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um didn't you read my post on the bottom of the picture i specifically said this clown didn
t deserve to wear this belt
Umm yeah. Didn't you read mine? I was specifically showing how it went from greats to him. You just had a picture of him saying how your King D-Bry should have it (which I don't necessarily disagree with). Totally different post......
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It's much more relevant than the WHC, that's for sure.
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Old 07-27-2013, 07:16 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Umm yeah. I was showing how it went from greats to him. You just had a picture of him.
I think his reign was AAAWWWWESSSOOMMEEEE

Just kidding. It was total shit. One of the weakest booked WWE champs ever.


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Old 07-27-2013, 07:21 PM   #69 (permalink)
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It not the WWE fault that its "dead", its just that they will never a roster that was that great like that again.
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Old 07-27-2013, 07:23 PM   #70 (permalink)
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it didnt help when cm punk was holding the title but rarely got main event status on the card. they cared too much about some guy who would blow up after 5 minutes in the ring and gave promos that were a shell of what they were in the AE.
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