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Old 05-02-2013, 05:53 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I don't think they just choose guys based on looks alone. There are nstances of it, yes, but the guys you listed OP. . .are some pretty damn good wrestlers.

You're also excluding guys like The Rock who belong on that list too, but I'm sure that's just an oversight and not intentional.

Basically, those guys may not be as technically sound in the ring as guys who pretty much have almost no positives but their wrestling skills, but their charisma and drawing power are so high that it easily dwarves whatever a technical wrestler alone will bring to the table.

If you have two wrestling shows going, and one of them has the two best wrestlers in the world going at it, and the other has the two most charismatic and impressive-looking guys in the world, which event do you think most people are going to go to? They're going to go to the one with the charismatic and impressive-looking guys. Only diehards will go see the other match.

I definitely don't disagree with WWE pushing bigger guys (who are also talented!) because not only do I find it more enjoyable week in and week out to see what happens with them than just watching a small technical wrestler put on a good match, but it also sells more tickets, merch, and buyrates.

Now when they push some garbage like Zeke Jackson and Khali, I am against it. But this bullshit where people on here bitch and cry and moan every time a buff guy gets pushed (Batista, Ryback), it just ridiculous. I think the hate for "Vince's choices" is so ingrained that they wouldn't recognize a good thing if it punched them in the face.
A lot of smaller guys have lots of charisma and drawing power and lots of big guys have none, what's your point? If would be pretty difficult to have two wrestling shows going, one with only big guys who have charisma and the other with only small great wrestlers with none. As far as selling more tickets, merch, and buyrates again Rey Mysterio and Jeff Hardy say hi!

But its not a good thing, is it?
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:02 AM   #62 (permalink)
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I prefer to see the strap on a big/tall man. That's not to say that I don't think a short man should ever have it. I just don't think they should be defeating anyone that's 4 inches taller than them and I don't think they should get long title reigns. That's just too fake for me. I don't mind seeing HBK beat Bret Hart for the strap, but he has no business beating Sycho Sid. That's why I wasn't shocked that Hogan refused to lose to him in any kind of way. Hogan would never play himself like that.


Newsflash wrestling is fake plus in a lot of real sports smaller guys ofter beat bigger guys.

So don't like it when almost anybody beats The Great Khali then?
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Like most of life, I understand the logic behind it, big men look more believable as wrestlers, and lets face it, Mysterio as world champ, no matter how much I approved of it is never a match for a Big Show.

That being said wrestling isn't real, it doesn't have to be 100% accurate, it just has to be vaguely believable, and I can believe that quick well placed blows, good cardio and lucky breaks could allow someone like Bryan to hang with Ryback in ring. Punk as champ is believable. Hornswoggle as champ obviously isn't.

So all things in moderation I guess.
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bigger guys are better. /thread

I dont want a dude who looks like everyone I see down the street...

Fake or not, bigger = better. I find their matches more entertaining than submissions and shits like that. but loved Benoit so go figure.
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Big or small, I just like guys who are good at wrestling. They can push Undertaker and Lesnar to the moon all they want, I am fine with that, they are good. But trash like Khali and Ryback belong in the garbage can.
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I think some of you guys have "big" confused with "tall". A person can be tall without being big and big without being tall and I'd argue it is even more common this way. For instance the best bodybuilders in the world have for long been shorter than 6 feet. Does that make them small?

When it comes to the topic, I think it's one of WWE's problems nowadays that the overall "bigness" of the roster is abysmal. Comparing this roster to the rosters over five years ago, you can see a great deal of difference(courtesy of one Chris Benoit and the restriction of the wellness policy). Nobody can make a difference on their height but bulking up wouldn't harm some people in the roster. And it would legitimize the whole company somewhat. This is not the MMA, it is it's effective contradiction. If the guys in MMA are smaller, why shouldn't the guys in WWE be bigger. Why not offer something different than your competitor?

So no, I guess I'm not against the big guy philosophy, although I am against the "Tall guy philosophy", which Vince seems to believe in more than in the size difference. Give me a bulkier short guy over a skinny tall guy any day of the week.
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Muscles are only good if there's cardio and flexibility to back it up. If you can't move, stick to bodybuilding.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:22 AM   #68 (permalink)
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I think some of you guys have "big" confused with "tall". A person can be tall without being big and big without being tall and I'd argue it is even more common this way. For instance the best bodybuilders in the world have for long been shorter than 6 feet. Does that make them small?

When it comes to the topic, I think it's one of WWE's problems nowadays that the overall "bigness" of the roster is abysmal. Comparing this roster to the rosters over five years ago, you can see a great deal of difference(courtesy of one Chris Benoit and the restriction of the wellness policy). Nobody can make a difference on their height but bulking up wouldn't harm some people in the roster. And it would legitimize the whole company somewhat. This is not the MMA, it is it's effective contradiction. If the guys in MMA are smaller, why shouldn't the guys in WWE be bigger. Why not offer something different than your competitor?

So no, I guess I'm not against the big guy philosophy, although I am against the "Tall guy philosophy", which Vince seems to believe in more than in the size difference. Give me a bulkier short guy over a skinny tall guy any day of the week.
Yes, that's true for the most part. You see what happens when guys like Chris Hero who aren't genetic freaks and don't diet get off the roids, they end up skinnyfat, same happened to Edge. Beeing 6'4"-6'5" and even taller and well built is hard as hell. Doesn't mean that you can't be tall and very massive and shredded though, Rob Terrys physique blows John Cenas and Rybacks physique away and he's 6'5" so it's possible but very uncommon and pretty rare.
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I believe that you will a wide variety of guys to both succeed as a business and appeal to everyone who does favor certain types of wrestlers (minus novelty midgets and Khali).

That being said, I don't like how someone seemingly gets opportunity after opportunity because the higher ups likes him (size, race, etc).
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Newsflash wrestling is fake plus in a lot of real sports smaller guys ofter beat bigger guys.

So don't like it when almost anybody beats The Great Khali then?
That type of attitude is why wrestling has declined so much in terms of popularity. Nobody wants to follow a action/drama/thriller series that's obviously fake, to the point that you can't even suspend disbelief.

And guys like the Great Khali have no business in a wrestling business imo. There should be an athletic requirement and the kind that I'm thinking about wouldn't allow him to wrestle in the WWE or any similar business. But even with that said, I don't think anyone should be able to defeat him. The big guys that should be very dominant or the ones that at least have decent mobility and coordination like Mark Henry, Kane, etc. The Great Khali shouldn't even be allowed in the ring imo.

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