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Old 05-01-2013, 04:51 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Hell no. People want some one that is credible and looks like they could kick your ass. That's what wrestling once was, and although I'm a big fan of Zigglypuff,CM Punk,Daniel Bryan ECT, the bigger guys are just more entertaining because lets face it,would you rather watch a fast speedy guy like a Lionel Messi in a MMA fight, or a beast like(very far fetched example)but Dolph Lundgren. I mean, the attitude era was very successful because they had many guys like this. I mean, look at Bobby Lashly, the guy basically came out of nowhere and even though he lacked mic skills he had the look and decent wrestling skills to make him a contender for John Cena's WWE title which is much more even of a match then A john cena vs. a miz. Yah Diggzzz??
No it isn't, Bobby Lashley sucked and hows did the attitude era have more guys like this?
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Old 05-01-2013, 04:57 PM   #52 (permalink)
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you can be a larger than life character and not be big e.g. rey mysterio is a superhero to millions

the problem in wwe for along time was that there was a perfect tv size according to them (6'2-6'4 230-260lb) and that is complete bullshit, fans too have been indoctrinated to that, look at all the posts online by people claiming that fans could beat up cm punk yet punk is bigger than floyd mayweather...

jokes about "short" e langton because he isn't 6'6, the man is 5'11 ffs ie not short, mr t was the most badass sob on tv back in the 1980s and he was 5'10
i agree with this fully idk since when 5'10 is ocnsidered short?also idk how 220pounds is considered average?all the average size guys i know barely make it to 180 farless 220pounds..at that weight your considered a heavyweight in sports
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Its not just height, its weight and muscle mass too.

Punk may have the height but he looks like he's some malnourished AIDS victim thats why people dont take him seriously.
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Old 05-01-2013, 05:16 PM   #54 (permalink)
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A defo mix for me.
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Old 05-01-2013, 05:21 PM   #55 (permalink)
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The size of them does not matter to me. It is all about ability and skill to me. If you have a 500 pound man that can entertain and has the ability, why not? It's the "big" guys like Khali that don't make sense to me.
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:54 PM   #56 (permalink)
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I prefer to see the strap on a big/tall man. That's not to say that I don't think a short man should ever have it. I just don't think they should be defeating anyone that's 4 inches taller than them and I don't think they should get long title reigns. That's just too fake for me. I don't mind seeing HBK beat Bret Hart for the strap, but he has no business beating Sycho Sid. That's why I wasn't shocked that Hogan refused to lose to him in any kind of way. Hogan would never play himself like that.
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:07 AM   #57 (permalink)
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I don't think they just choose guys based on looks alone. There are nstances of it, yes, but the guys you listed OP. . .are some pretty damn good wrestlers.

You're also excluding guys like The Rock who belong on that list too, but I'm sure that's just an oversight and not intentional.

Basically, those guys may not be as technically sound in the ring as guys who pretty much have almost no positives but their wrestling skills, but their charisma and drawing power are so high that it easily dwarves whatever a technical wrestler alone will bring to the table.

If you have two wrestling shows going, and one of them has the two best wrestlers in the world going at it, and the other has the two most charismatic and impressive-looking guys in the world, which event do you think most people are going to go to? They're going to go to the one with the charismatic and impressive-looking guys. Only diehards will go see the other match.

I definitely don't disagree with WWE pushing bigger guys (who are also talented!) because not only do I find it more enjoyable week in and week out to see what happens with them than just watching a small technical wrestler put on a good match, but it also sells more tickets, merch, and buyrates.

Now when they push some garbage like Zeke Jackson and Khali, I am against it. But this bullshit where people on here bitch and cry and moan every time a buff guy gets pushed (Batista, Ryback), it just ridiculous. I think the hate for "Vince's choices" is so ingrained that they wouldn't recognize a good thing if it punched them in the face.
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As a fan who enjoys the cast of characters presented in wrestling, I'm a believer in the philosophy that the business requires wrestlers of all shapes, sizes, skill sets and personalities.
This. It's the mix of sizes and how each makes a different character that built the boom periods. For every Hogan/Andre you had a Savage and Steamboat. And guys like Punk and HBK have proven that it isn't the size... it's the character and how it sets one apart then engages the audience. That is what wrestling is supposed to be... not just talentless hacks that "look good".
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:07 AM   #59 (permalink)
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Hell no. People want some one that is credible and looks like they could kick your ass. That's what wrestling once was, and although I'm a big fan of Zigglypuff,CM Punk,Daniel Bryan ECT, the bigger guys are just more entertaining because lets face it,would you rather watch a fast speedy guy like a Lionel Messi in a MMA fight, or a beast like(very far fetched example)but Dolph Lundgren. I mean, the attitude era was very successful because they had many guys like this. I mean, look at Bobby Lashly, the guy basically came out of nowhere and even though he lacked mic skills he had the look and decent wrestling skills to make him a contender for John Cena's WWE title which is much more even of a match then A john cena vs. a miz. Yah Diggzzz??

What I want is someone who is entertaining, talented, and doesn't get boring quickly. Does this mean he needs to be a big guy? nope. There have been tons of big guys who were given lots of opportunities and they were absolutely abysmal in the ring. Guys like Sid and Diesel are the ones I'm referring to.

My issue with this way of thinking is how restricted it is. Why does EVERYONE have to be the same in order to main event? I believe there is/was room in the main event for guys like Shawn Michaels, CM Punk, Rey Mysterio, Ric Flair, Chris Jericho and so on. Neither of those guys were particularly "big" at all, but I'd rather watch them over, I don't know, Big Show or whatever.
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Nope, though I consider guys like HHH and Taker to be "big guys" while Show and Henry are too big since they can't go in the ring.

The problem for smaller guys is that they aren't as marketable, thus why guys like Eddie and Benoit took roids to look bigger (and it helped, their muscles made them look legit). However, without roids the smaller guys look like Punk, and it's unfortunate. Wish there was a "safe" drug they could take to get bigger =P
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