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Old 05-01-2013, 09:39 AM   #21 (permalink)
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The last thing the WWE would want is for someone to say to themselves or to a friend "I bet I could kick that guys ass." That just looks bad.
again thats a daft way of thinking, you go out of your way last 20 years to tell everyone the show is fake and yet you try to portray the wrestlers are legit toughguys..

did fans think that way about Gorgeous George and he was the biggest star in the 1950s, do boxing fans think they could take 5'8 140lb mayweather and he is far and away biggest star on ppv
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:42 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:15 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Since when did not being big mean not being 'larger than life' ? Jeff Hardy was larger than life in the WWE and just look at the size of him. Surprised at the responses here, seems most people only like big guys because of the nostalgia factor. How big are we actually talking here? Guys like Lesnar, Batista, Hogan and Warrior? In that case then guys like Austin and Cena look nothing like that. So why you compared them I do not know. Is Austin really bigger than Eddie or Ziggler? and Kurt Angle really? really? come on, in what world is he considered a big guy? Even back in the 80s not everyone was big and was still went on to become big stars for example HBK, Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Jake the Snake, Mr. Perfect, Roddy Piper heck even Ric Flair.


Size had nothing to do with me getting into wrestler. Give me the likes of Punk, Bryan, Jeff Hardy, Eddie Guerrero, Roddy Piper, HBK and Jericho over Hogan, Lenser, Batista, Mark Henry, Warrior, Big Show, Khali and even André the Giant if I am being honest.

A lot of the posts here are very confusing.
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I prefer wrestlers who have an ''larger than life'' look to them. Back in the 80's 90's and early 00's there were tons of guys like that unlike nowadays where it feels like most of these guys walked out of a Jersey Shore show and got signed by Vince for looking pretty. I look at todays roster and there are literally only 4 guys I would pay money for to see them.. Lesnar, Henry , Chris Jericho, The Rock. The rest of todays roster with the exception of Cm Punk and D. Bryan can go fuck themselves for all I care.
What? Yes because there was never wrestlers who looked pretty back in the day right? jesus, just look at HBK and Rick Rude for two prime examples. What is meant by larger than life anyway, do you not think Bret Hart was larger than life? And how is Jericho considered a big guy?
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What I think the OP is getting at is the fact that some guys with no talent are usual the ones that get huge pushes because they look the part, More about muscle mass is what the op is getting at. And whether or not we agree that them guys get better advantages, I know one perfect example of the current era, would be Ryback get's beat every PPV and destroyed by The Shield week after week now all of a sudden he is the Number one contender.
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Old 05-01-2013, 10:44 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Since when did not being big mean not being 'larger than life' ? Jeff Hardy was larger than life in the WWE and just look at the size of him. Surprised at the responses here, seems most people only like big guys because of the nostalgia factor. How big are we actually talking here? Guys like Lesnar, Batista, Hogan and Warrior? In that case then guys like Austin and Cena look nothing like that. So why you compared them I do not know. Is Austin really bigger than Eddie or Ziggler? and Kurt Angle really? really? come on, in what world is he considered a big guy? Even back in the 80s not everyone was big and was still went on to become big stars for example HBK, Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Jake the Snake, Mr. Perfect, Roddy Piper heck even Ric Flair.


Size had nothing to do with me getting into wrestler. Give me the likes of Punk, Bryan, Jeff Hardy, Eddie Guerrero, Roddy Piper, HBK and Jericho over Hogan, Lenser, Batista, Mark Henry, Warrior, Big Show, Khali and even André the Giant if I am being honest.

A lot of the posts here are very confusing.
When I think of a professional wrestler I think of 3 qualities Moves, Voice, and Size. Some of the names you mentioned weren't massive guys by any stretch of the imagination but excelled in the other aspects that it compensated for their size. In the case of Hardy he wasn't very big or great on the mic but God damn he was about as action packed as it got (sad thing is his style of matches are few and far between today).

For guys like HBK, Jericho, Piper, Guerrero, Perfect, and Flair their voices carried weight. When they spoke it commanded you're attention and not only that their voices fit their gimmicks to a tee. I could actually believe Mr. Perfect and Ric Flair were in a class above me just by what they said and how they said it, Kurt Angle (pretty big dude but i'll bite) could say anything and he would've sounded like he was all that and a bag of chips, Piper made me believe he'd knock my teeth in, and HBK, Chris Jericho and Eddie just oozed charisma to the point where anything they said made me like them. On top of that all of them were far and away some of the best technical wrestlers.

And I'd just like to ask in what world aren't guys like Kurt angle and Bret Hart bigger than the average male? The two of them had barrel chests, broad shoulders and had lats big enough that they really did force their arms to flair out to the sides. Both of them would be pretty intimidating in an everyday setting.
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As a fan who enjoys the cast of characters presented in wrestling, I'm a believer in the philosophy that the business requires wrestlers of all shapes, sizes, skill sets and personalities.
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I wouldn't count someone like The Rock as a big guy. He could certainly move in his day. Nowadays yes he is huge, but in his prime he wasn't.

The problem is with the big guy philosophy, is that you need a smaller guy to make the match work. 2 big men going against each other often equates to a terrible match. Just watch the ECW fatal 4 way with just a bunch of 300lb men in the ring. Think it was Kane, Viscera, Henry and Big Show or something. Just an awful awful spectacle to watch, as funny as it was.

HBK vs Taker was a perfect balance. HHH vs Taker was still good but you could tell the similarities of being large hindered the match.

When you look at the big guys, the only one that really stands out with their own legacy is The Undertaker. Everyone else is a more average wrestling build, like Rock, Austin, Hart, Jericho, HBK e.t.c.

To conclude I would say Vince does put too much emphasis on 'the look', at times. Wrestlers like Bryan would have been over ages ago if they had the WWE look. Sometimes unconventional is the way forward, and Vince needs to realise this.
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I like big guys. Vince just A) has no sense of quality control when it comes to big guys (Swagger, Langston) and B) fucking sucks at using them.
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When I think of a professional wrestler I think of 3 qualities Moves, Voice, and Size. Some of the names you mentioned weren't massive guys by any stretch of the imagination but excelled in the other aspects that it compensated for their size. In the case of Hardy he wasn't very big or great on the mic but God damn he was about as action packed as it got (sad thing is his style of matches are few and far between today).

For guys like HBK, Jericho, Piper, Guerrero, Perfect, and Flair their voices carried weight. When they spoke it commanded you're attention and not only that their voices fit their gimmicks to a tee. I could actually believe Mr. Perfect and Ric Flair were in a class above me just by what they said and how they said it, Kurt Angle (pretty big dude but i'll bite) could say anything and he would've sounded like he was all that and a bag of chips, Piper made me believe he'd knock my teeth in, and HBK, Chris Jericho and Eddie just oozed charisma to the point where anything they said made me like them. On top of that all of them were far and away some of the best technical wrestlers.

And I'd just like to ask in what world aren't guys like Kurt angle and Bret Hart bigger than the average male? The two of them had barrel chests, broad shoulders and had lats big enough that they really did force their arms to flair out to the sides. Both of them would be pretty intimidating in an everyday setting.
But we are not talking about those other aspects are we? You can say the same thing for guys like Cm Punk, Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, Randy Orton, Edge, The Miz, Cody Rhodes and Damien Sandow all these people at one point in their careers oozed charisma and their voices have carried weight also some of them are great technical wrestlers too, not to mention all the up and coming stars from NXT who are not considered big guys, so whats your point? this thread is about size. Unless you are one of those annoying people who think wrestlers were so much better 'back in the day' and no current wrestler can compare.

In the wrestling world they are not, compare them to the likes of Hogan, Warrior, Lesner and Batista they are not that big. You can the same thing about Ziggler, Kingston, Cesaro, Bryan and even Punk they are all bigger than the average male. Yet the op feels that they don't belong in pro wrestling.
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