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Old 05-01-2013, 11:19 AM   #71 (permalink)
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Buried? Who do you think put orton over you moron?!
Chris Benoit, John Cena and HBK all did much more benefit for Orton then Hunter ever did. The best rub Orton got from Trips was being allowed to stand next to him in a stable - Nearly every major 1 on 1 match the two had, Triple H went over, most criminally of all at WM 25, when Orton was at his hottest and Hunter was about to go part time. I do get annoyed when people say that Triple H put Orton over, because precisely the opposite happened.

Triple H is good though, possibly even great! Although he was never the right guy to carry the TV show, he was an excellent protagonist and with the right opponent, could put on some fantastic TV. Unfortunately WWE trys to sell you his hype, and make him seem as big as Rock, Austin or Hogan, which not only is it not true, but its unfair on Hunter. He is a great in his own right, certainly in the top 15 of the modern era, surely that is something to be proud of?
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Old 05-01-2013, 11:45 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Chris Benoit, John Cena and HBK all did much more benefit for Orton then Hunter ever did. The best rub Orton got from Trips was being allowed to stand next to him in a stable - Nearly every major 1 on 1 match the two had, Triple H went over, most criminally of all at WM 25, when Orton was at his hottest and Hunter was about to go part time. I do get annoyed when people say that Triple H put Orton over, because precisely the opposite happened.
-Orton was having feuds with Tommy Dreamer and Hardcore Holly before HHH handpicked as him as the 'crown jewel' in WWE.If not for Evolution,he would have been released way back

-Randy Orton had his first brush at the main-event when he had a feud with HHH.If only winning is putting over,Bret Hart never put Austin over either.

-Randy Orton was getting huge pops as a face when he had a feud with HHH.He even allowed a young cocky Orton to even spit on him.It was not HHH's fault that Orton became irrelevant after his feud with HHH got over.


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. Unfortunately WWE trys to sell you his hype, and make him seem as big as Rock, Austin or Hogan
WWE have never mentioned HHH in the same league as Austin/Rock

They have been calling UT as the biggest legend of all time and Shawn as the greatest of all time.But I don't think they have overrated HHH as Taker/Shawn in recent times.

HHH may not be in their league but he certainly is the greatest heel of all time

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-Orton was having feuds with Tommy Dreamer and Hardcore Holly before HHH handpicked as him as the 'crown jewel' in WWE.If not for Evolution,he would have been released way back

-Randy Orton had his first brush at the main-event when he had a feud with HHH.If only winning is putting over,Bret Hart never put Austin over either.

-Randy Orton was getting huge pops as a face when he had a feud with HHH.He even allowed a young cocky Orton to even spit on him.It was not HHH's fault that Orton became irrelevant after his feud with HHH got over.





WWE have never mentioned HHH in the same league as Austin/Rock

They have been calling UT as the biggest legend of all time and Shawn as the greatest of all time.But I don't think they have overrated HHH as Taker/Shawn in recent times.

HHH may not be in their league but he certainly is the greatest heel of all time
As I said, the closest Hunter got to actually putting Orton over, was by letting him stand by his side in his stable.

The art of putting someone over in a fued, is to make them look stronger coming out of it, then when they came into it. Ortons first big title match was against Chris Benoit, which was the culmination of WWE's succesful at the time efforts to get Randy over. Losing to Triple H clean, derailed that momentum completely! The difference with that and Bret - Austin was simple, Austin was making some waves in the upper mid card, with the way it ended, that picture of austin bloodied, passed out and refusing to give up made Austin into something serious!

He couldn't even give him the clean win at No Mercy 2007, I mean who else can become the champion when losing on the same night? Terrible booking, and proof of Triple H's ego!

Ok, you say Triple H isnt treated as a legend. Why are his wrestlemania matches with Undertaker treated as this legendary match for the ages, yet Punks match with Taker, which arguably garnered a bigger response (at least in comparison to the first one) and was better executed as a wrestling match (in the opinion of most experts) is not?
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He was a draw but it was kind of indirectly. Austin and Rock couldn't of been as great if they didn't have a heel as great as HHH to face, The Rock in particular. It's the reason no one can become huge now, there's no huge hate-able heel for a face to contend with. Punk is great but you want to cheer for him, you want him to win, he isn't really effective as a heel no matter what he tries.

Del Rio wasn't hate-able, it was just hard to care. Ryback, we all know they're planning to have him as a top face so no ones going invest in him massively as a heel. Big Show, dull and seen it a thousand times before. The only true person that people really want to see lose is Cena and he's suppose to be the top face.
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HHH wasn't a draw, and we needed more Taka's in 2000 to bring the ratings up to 10.0's.
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Answer this, why do you care? He entertained millions and is largely accepted as one of the greatest villains of all-time.

Does how much merchandise he sold/ratings he pulled really matter? In actuality the only real draws are those who have been considered 'face of the company' around here.
keep that in mind for when people use numbers to validate someone/somethings existence

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Being GOAT > drawing shit
This.

I think you can see this if you compare a Shawn Michaels who never really drew that much as the top guy but had undeniable talent to someone like John Cena who is merch selling, drawing machine with less talent then you can see it's not always the draws that are the best.
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Buried? Who do you think put orton over you moron?!
Mick Foley, Benoit, HBK & Taker

Triple H did him no favors whatsoever. He beat Orton every time when it mattered most.
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Triple h is entertaining but I'm not a fan due to his politics backstage (which i hate micheals more for)
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HHH is just like Jeff Jarrett in a way he always in the main event but the fact is he never drew a dime in his Career.He only Popular cause he buddies with HBK and played along side him In DX AND he had Stars like Rock and Steve Austin to go up aginst and its a fact once rock and austin left the ratings went down with HHH as the top guy.
Wrong. You've obviously never been to a live event back in the day with HHH. He was a HUGE draw, and the fans went nuts for him. Look at his return from injury in 2002 for example.

You fail good sir.
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