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Old 03-06-2013, 08:56 AM   #61 (permalink)
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The fact that he's losing with all this help is what's really annoying tbh. I'm thinking he should at least pick back up booking wise after the cash in. But still, I don't think that means he should be booked so weak before the cash in. And now he's going on to face Rio this Friday on SD which is probably gonna make him look like a fool again.
The logical conclusion for all of this losing is Ziggler dumping all of his help, doing everything by himself, having a face turn, and then cashing in. That's really the only path left for Ziggler. We'll have to see if creative can figure out the obvious.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:56 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Pretty much this. Ziggles is amazing in the ring, but lacks mic skills and charisma.
Truth spoken.

Still don't understand the hype around him.
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:00 AM   #63 (permalink)
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When Dolph cashes in his MITB and wins the world title Miz will probably go after Ziggler for the world title,Atleast thats why I think they had Miz beat Ziggler and with Flair with Miz I know unfortunately the WWE are trying to push Miz back on top.
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Old 03-06-2013, 10:06 AM   #64 (permalink)
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We was also over when it was against Sheamus. Remember the King fail saying people were chanting Sheamus when they were chanting Ziggler?

Ziggler could be a great underdog face. But now is momentum is gone. They gave me the superkick and he barely won a match with that.
To be fair, Ziggler is a heel, he's supposed to be getting a negative reaction from the crowd. He was paired up with Vickie, who is great at getting heat, and it didn't do much for him, now he's given an entourage and some mic time and he's still getting a weak response from the crowd.

Just because the crowd is silent for him, besides smarks that like his work ethic, which leads to some cheers for him from the crowd, that doesn't mean he would be a good face lol.
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To be fair, Ziggler is a heel, he's supposed to be getting a negative reaction from the crowd. He was paired up with Vickie, who is great at getting heat, and it didn't do much for him, now he's given an entourage and some mic time and he's still getting a weak response from the crowd.

Just because the crowd is silent for him, besides smarks that like his work ethic, which leads to some cheers for him from the crowd, that doesn't mean he would be a good face lol.
People now don't care for him, when he was giving great performances people wanted to cheer for him, it was plain obvious.

Every wrestler always has a share of people that don't like him, think is talentless and so on.

In my opinion the guy has star written all over him. Great look, good in the ring, and improving on the mic. But with booking like this not even Stone Cold could get over...
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Old 03-06-2013, 10:36 AM   #66 (permalink)
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For the people who say that win/loss doesn't matter too much. Are you really going to buy Ziggler as a WHC when he has lost so many times in a row up until then? I love Ziggler and I wouldn't even buy that. Which leaves me to two conclusions. Either he loses in the cash in or creative really doesn't know what they hell they are doing with him. He's an excellent bump man, he should be like what Punk was during his reign as champ. Win by the barest of margins or cheat to win. And Ziggler has a ton of charisma. Also, don't call his win over Cena a "push". They wanted AJ off him so they used Ziggler to do that. Cena got his when he beat Ziggler twice later.
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Look at it this way. Would you rather him lose to someone with talent like the Miz (inb4 "OMG M1Z SUKS SO HARDD!!!11111one"), or would you rather him lose to Cena for the fiftieth time? I know that we'd like to have him win, but since when has WWE pushed guys that they supposedly have faith in (see Damien Sandow, Miz himself, and countless others)?
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People now don't care for him, when he was giving great performances people wanted to cheer for him, it was plain obvious.

Every wrestler always has a share of people that don't like him, think is talentless and so on.

In my opinion the guy has star written all over him. Great look, good in the ring, and improving on the mic. But with booking like this not even Stone Cold could get over...
Ziggler definitely puts on great matches, but I do think he's too concerned with selling at this point. I get it that selling is what really got him over, but he needs more than that, some of the stuff is silly, but a catchy catch phrase and the right gimmick is all it really takes to get over. To be honest, I wish they'd give him a new name lol.... it's tough to use the word "Ziggler" in a chant.

I'm not quite sure about his look, very similar to guys like Mr. Perfect and Billy Gunn, and while these guys were good, Ziggler is in pretty much in their ball park already - the upper midcard. If the WWE can make Swagger an over night hit, they can probably do it with Ziggler though, but the guy needs to be coached by someone like Ric Flair on how to talk on the mic.
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LOL at the butthurt Ziggler marks. I bet Ziggler will get his win back anyway. Miz went over this week just to have the celebration moment with Flair.
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Ziggler definitely puts on great matches, but I do think he's too concerned with selling at this point. I get it that selling is what really got him over, but he needs more than that, some of the stuff is silly, but a catchy catch phrase and the right gimmick is all it really takes to get over. To be honest, I wish they'd give him a new name lol.... it's tough to use the word "Ziggler" in a chant.

I'm not quite sure about his look, very similar to guys like Mr. Perfect and Billy Gunn, and while these guys were good, Ziggler is in pretty much in their ball park already - the upper midcard. If the WWE can make Swagger an over night hit, they can probably do it with Ziggler though, but the guy needs to be coached by someone like Ric Flair on how to talk on the mic.
I agree that sometimes what does stand out the most is his selling but he is also very athletic and has an attitude in the ring (showing off and stuff) that shows some personality (even if his not something very innovative).

Of the current crop of superstars Ziggler could be main-eventing. They teased it several times last year but for every step in the right direction they take two steps back. They don't fully commit to him, I don't know why. In truth they don't fully commit to anyone not named Cena but that is another story...
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