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It's funny you used those two for your hypothetical examples, because it doesn't need to be hypothetical, that did actually happen to both of them.

Luckily in the Rock's case they caught it early on and just turned him heel on the RTWM in early 2003.

But in Hogan's case, when he first came to WCW he was getting booed so badly they had to edit out the boos and dub in a track of cheers. Flair wrote about how embarrassing it was. Luckily it was before they went live with Nitro so they had time to get him over a little bit, but he soon went stale again, hence the eventual heel turn with the NWO.
First of all, what I should have said was if Rock stayed babyface. If he stayed a face, he would have been booed just like Cena is today. Hell, I have seen archived internet post's of people who didn't like The Rock from the early 2000's and they were saying the same thing people say about Cena today. "Five moves, doesn't sell, always come back, pandering to the crowd."

With Hogan, it's an entire different story. Hogan was in WWE, and the world was built around him. The WWE was Hulk Hogan's world, it was his show. People were built up so he could beat them. His character of eating his vitamins and saying his prayers was synonymous with WWE. Than, he went to WCW. A world of old school wrestling, the world of Flair, Sting, The Four Horseman. It wasn't the world of larger than life over the top wrestlers. It was the world of grittier more old school wrestling.

The WCW crowd didn't fully embrace the red and yellow Hulk Hogan that was his character in WWE. His character in WWE was larger than life, but WCW wasn't about that. WCW wasn't built for and around Hulk Hogan like the WWE was. So, instead of trying to keep his face when he was being booed, they turned him heel. But he turned heel because the world's were different.



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I also can't believe how much you let Cena ruin your own lives by doing what he does.

You all may make fun of people with "IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMN IT!" for the young kids or marks or whatever, but you guys are even worse than them. You have this deep-seeded legitimate rage for Cena and his fans to the point where you let it affect your day to day life.

Grow up. Seriously.
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I remember going to a raw in sheffield (uk) back in 2006 and didnt like him then. It was the MOMENT he dropped the rapper heel gimmick it made me lose all interest. I cant stand him watching him win the rumble was cringeworthy


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Re: When did everyone start hating Cena SO much

I started to dislike him in 2006 when he won the belt back vs. Edge.

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2006. When he beat Triple H at Wrestlemania.

For me though it was late 2009, since then i've hated his character. Still love the guy in the ring though.
Was at the arena that night. Surprised a riot didn't start after he won. Chicago hates Cena with a passion... But late 2005 when Cena's character had first gotten stale to answer the OP. They should have turned him heel in early 2006 (or waited until 'Mania (in April of 2006) perhaps?). They didn't turn him heel in 2006 though - and his character was stale then so the fact that he still hasn't turned heel in 2013 doesn't change the fact that he's still stale - and the fact that he hasn't done so or even evolved his character significantly in that amount of time makes most people who hated him then, hate him even more with time (with more people turning on him also over time due to their realization that he's so stale). I'm not saying he isn't talented - he is, and he is capable of having great matches (such as versus Rock, Ziggler, Punk, etc...) - but their have been ALOT of matches where he just does the same old shit --- which would sometimes be fine --- but he is booked in the MAIN EVENT and if you are in the main event, you should act like it and change it up here and their. I'm also not saying he can't cut a good promo --- he cuts really good ones when he has an opponent that brings out the intensity he had in his early days (look at when he first moved to the RAW brand, and check out his backstage promo from Vengeance 2005) --- great stuff. Rock and CM Punk brought that intensity out in him a few select times in recent years - but a week later, it's gone and he's cutting his awful comedy promos that are also very stale. The one thing that would really, truly evolve his character to the point of him being fresh again (every week, every match and every promo, not just select ones) at this would be a heel turn (pretty sure if a heel turn occurred @ WM29 (where Cena realizes he can't beat Rock unless he turns heel) - the Internet would explode)...
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I was a pg 13 fan so I've hated most rap based gimmicks since them (they were really good at the gimmick imo..) when cena started he fell into that group and I immediately didn't like him, especially with his talked out men on a mission delivery. add in his bad wrestling and the so undeserved push he got like a year after he first started annoying me and I don't believe I've ever liked the guy..
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Was at the arena that night. Surprised a riot didn't start after he won. Chicago hates Cena with a passion... But late 2005 when Cena's character had first gotten stale to answer the OP. They should have turned him heel in early 2006 (or waited until 'Mania (in April of 2006) perhaps?). They didn't turn him heel in 2006 though - and his character was stale then so the fact that he still hasn't turned heel in 2013 doesn't change the fact that he's still stale - and the fact that he hasn't done so or even evolved his character significantly in that amount of time makes most people who hated him then, hate him even more with time (with more people turning on him also over time due to their realization that he's so stale). I'm not saying he isn't talented - he is, and he is capable of having great matches (such as versus Rock, Ziggler, Punk, etc...) - but their have been ALOT of matches where he just does the same old shit --- which would sometimes be fine --- but he is booked in the MAIN EVENT and if you are in the main event, you should act like it and change it up here and their. I'm also not saying he can't cut a good promo --- he cuts really good ones when he has an opponent that brings out the intensity he had in his early days (look at when he first moved to the RAW brand, and check out his backstage promo from Vengeance 2005) --- great stuff. Rock and CM Punk brought that intensity out in him a few select times in recent years - but a week later, it's gone and he's cutting his awful comedy promos that are also very stale. The one thing that would really, truly evolve his character to the point of him being fresh again (every week, every match and every promo, not just select ones) at this would be a heel turn (pretty sure if a heel turn occurred @ WM29 (where Cena realizes he can't beat Rock unless he turns heel) - the Internet would explode)...
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He was already hated by the time I got back into wrestling( I had a few years there right after the invasion angle where circumstances made it impossible to watch anything). My hatred for Cena can actually be traced back to one particular match : a fatal four way match with him, Orton, Edge, and HBK. Edge spears Orton, Cena F-Us Edge, HBK superkicks Cena. Cena fall unconscious on top of Orton and gets the three count.

All I could think was "Really? This is how far WWE is willing to go to keep Cena from losing? He can't even win his own matches now?"
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There was no "crowd noise editing" involved in Cena's reactions when he was on SD. He was 99.9% over with the fans. There was always the occasional "Cena Sucks" signs or one out of thousands holding the thumbs down for him but he was visibly supported by fans.

His biggest pop in SD is when he opened Wrestlemania XX to me. In Madison Square Garden and crowd was heavily behind him.

Here he is in Chicago, about one year before Wrestlemania 22 and he introduces the spinner belt. Crowd is going crazy for him.

he looked a hell of a lot cooler then.
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I hated him since the beginning.



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