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Old 02-10-2013, 03:17 AM   #51 (permalink)
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How do they expect to do that when the WWE champion doesn't show up? They can at least make up something for storyline purposes explaining The Rock's absence. But no, all they do is show a video package of him we already saw last week. And that it's. Just a video package, and nothing that furthers the storyline of CM Punk and Rock.
I had ten years away from WWE, Rock's return in 2011 caught my interest, the Taker HHH match at Mania last year made me remember how much I used to love wrestling so I tuned into Raw the next night for the first time since 2001, I wasn't familiar with any of the current stars but I stuck with it and I'm glad I did. Using legends from the past can bring old fans back.
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:24 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Yep.
Current WWE reminds me of dying days of WCW.
There's no plan on future main eventers anymore.
Expect to see at least 5 more years of Cena in main event and old stars coming back every week.
and why wouldnt they do it?
Last Mania made Vince happy with all that dough. Of course he will do it again. People obviously love to see oldies get back. Just hear them pops.
Its not wwe´s fault. It´s us the fans fault. Its we who jizzes in our pants when a old guy comes back.

Of course Cena will main event til he retires, hes the face of the company. The face of the company should main event. Here again, its not wwe shoving Cena down our throats. Its us, fans that wants Cena, its we who buy the merch.

The same with new guys, we dont give them a chance. We only compare them to old guys and thats it. People dont cheer a new guy because they dont know who he is, and doesnt give him a chance because he´s new and it can be a little scary to do something new.

Dont forget that most on here and iwc in overall are a minority when it comes to opinions.
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:19 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Here today, gone tommorow. Why bother?
If my choices are between that and 400+ day reigns by people who "are there every day", I would take big money cameos and once every 2 week appearances all year long. (no I'm not asking for it, just saying I would take the most extreme if my choices are that or a super boring long reign).

Being there every day is overrated. If the people who are there every day aren't that entertaining or interesting MOST of the time, why should we give a fuck and pretend like we'd prefer that to someone like Brock Lesnar, Chris Jericho, the Rock, HHH, etc?

So, why bother? It's more interesting, more entertaining, far less boring, less annoying, and makes me want to tune in every week instead of feel like I'm on the verge of not watching most of/the entire show every single week for nearly the whole year.
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Ambrose, Rollins, Reigns, Sandow, Rhodes, Ziggler, Cesaro, Barrett,... It's not because they lack the ability, it's because of creative that these guys aren't main-eventing yet.
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That's exactly what I just said in another thread. To me, I really don't get what they are waiting for in their quest to make new stars.
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WWE is not creating their own stars for the future but instead pushing the guys who were big during the AE.

When Cena and Punk retire, WWE is totally boned.
Did any of you guys read my post on the previous page? They're not WAITING for heaven's sakes. They've been pushing Punk, Sheamus, Del Rio and Ryback for the past couple of years and The Shield are in a storyline with the 3 BIGGEST faces currently on the roster. If that's not good enough for The Shield after just a few months of debuting, I don't know what is.




Just look at the improvement in the rost from 2010 to now. Lost HBK, Jericho (as a full-timer), and Batista in 2010 and lost Edge in 2011. The roster in 2011 was horrible, the roster last year got a little better, and the roster this year has some light at the end of the tunnel. Cesaro looks well on his way as he's being built up slowly (and properly). Ryback is being shot to the moon (warranted or unwarranted is irrelevant, it's the fact that they ARE making a concerted effort to make him big). The Shield has tons of promise as does Sandow. Ziggler has been built up slower than we thought but he's in a much better position now than before.
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I'm going to quote my own post because it still seems like the people that think the WWE aren't or can't create new stars either don't have any facts to back up their claims or it's because they're not making stars out of their favorites.


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It truly annoys me to no end when people say WWE doesn't or can't create new stars. Let's take a look at a few factors.

1) The roster was loaded in the mid 00's. At the top of the card you had HHH, Cena, Batista, and Taker. Right below that are the guys that can main event or placed in high profile feuds in Jericho, Orton, HBK, Edge, and Booker. That's still not counting guys like Punk, Kennedy, Hardy, or MVP. Quite honestly, there's only so many guys you can have around the top of your card.

2) They HAVE created stars in the past 7yrs other than Cena.
Batista - He was Cena's equal and one could argue that if Batista didn't get hurt twice at the end of 2005/beginning of 2006, that HE may be the face of the company and not Cena. Even despite all his injuries, he was the guy that was carrying the SD! brand. Left for MMA.
Randy Orton - Did people forget about him? It's not WWE's fault that they cannot fully trust him due to his 2 strikes.
Jeff Hardy - Personal problems derailed his run. Had those demons been behind him, he could be a huge money-maker right now for them. Left for TNA.
Edge - He may not be as big a name as Cena or Batista, but he was someone that you can count on to deliver quality matches and fill in main event feuds. Retired.
Punk - Currently the clear-cut #2 guy in the company.

Here's 3 guys that they're currently trying to establish as legit top guys:
Sheamus - Given a solid run with WHC and is relatively over with the fans yet it seems like we still refuse to acknowledge that he's a true star because he isn't on the same level as Cena or even Punk.
Alberto Del Rio - Same as Sheamus but to a lesser degree.
Ryback - You know they're trying to make him the next big star.

That's just in the past 2yrs and they've already established CM Punk but yet they're still doing more. Sure, some fans would prefer to swap out Del Rio and Ryback for guys like Barrett or Ziggler but the point still stands.


3) The deaths of Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit. This is important because that's two big time talents that this current crop of young wrestlers in the company today could learn from. You can't replace that kind of knowledge.

4) When everyone either left for a different company or retired, it left a big gap between the main event and the midcard. It's hard filling that gap with a roster where everybody could beat everybody because how exactly do you separate them? You cannot just have one or two guys start beating everyone else all of a sudden when you had them losing to them just recently.


Seriously, it's an absolute joke to either say that they don't know how to make stars anymore or they refuse to make stars anymore.

The MAIN problem that the WWE has is that other than Cena, they don't have someone that could give an instant mega rub to a guy they're trying to legitimize. Lesnar was legitimized by Rock and Taker. Cena was legitimized by Angle, HHH, and HBK. Batista was legitimized by HHH as was Benoit. Punk was somewhat legitimized by Cena but Punk has yet to be established enough to where he could give that rub. Just look at Orton currently. He's not in a position to give a good rub to someone because his credibility is currently lacking compared to how he was.

THAT's why WWE needs guys like Brock and Rock right now. Rock helped give Punk a rub even in defeat and one could only hope for feuds like Brock-Sheamus, Brock/Rock-Orton, or Rock-Ziggler. Anything that helps cement the top guys or elevate people into those top positions.
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I'm a fan of Lesnar. And The Rock. But all Lesnar does is come to the ring once in a while, throw a fit then have an awful (rust-fest) wrestling match at a PPV. It's not much different with The Rock. There's something missing here, it's called viewer investment. Simply put: If you're not on the road, you shouldn't be headlining a show.
Why? WWE choose their headliners based on who they think will bring them the most buys. Rock and Lesnar are tried and tested means, as are the other part timers.

And out of here with that Brock Lesnar being "awful" at PPVs, the guy has had two matches since he's returned and both of them have been MOTYCs.
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Did any of you guys read my post on the previous page? They're not WAITING for heaven's sakes. They've been pushing Punk, Sheamus, Del Rio and Ryback for the past couple of years and The Shield are in a storyline with the 3 BIGGEST faces currently on the roster. If that's not good enough for The Shield after just a few months of debuting, I don't know what is.
Sandow is 29 years old, Ziggler 32, Barrett 32, Cesaro 32.
Ambrose is 27 years old, as is Reigns, Rollins is 26, Rhodes 27.

Now, John Cena is 35 (debuted in 2002, 11 years ago at 24), Punk 34 (in WWE since 2005, 8 years ago at 28), Orton 32 (debut in 2002 at 21).

I mean, Cena is just 3 years older than the so-called 'up and comers' Cesaro, Barrett and Ziggler. Cena has been the man since, like what, 2006? Cena is going to be the man untill he retires, but when he retires Punk, Sheamus, Orton, Cesaro, Barrett, Miz, Del Rio, Ryback and Ziggler will be retiring around that time too. Who will be WWE's next guy? WWE isn't building new young stars, except for The Shield (and maybe Bo Dallas now).
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Sandow is 29 years old, Ziggler 32, Barrett 32, Cesaro 32.
Ambrose is 27 years old, as is Reigns, Rollins is 26, Rhodes 27.

Now, John Cena is 35 (debuted in 2002, 11 years ago at 24), Punk 34 (in WWE since 2005, 8 years ago at 28), Orton 32 (debut in 2002 at 21).

I mean, Cena is just 3 years older than the so-called 'up and comers' Cesaro, Barrett and Ziggler. Cena has been the man since, like what, 2006? Cena is going to be the man untill he retires, but when he retires Punk, Sheamus, Orton, Cesaro, Barrett, Miz, Del Rio, Ryback and Ziggler will be retiring around that time too. Who will be WWE's next guy? WWE isn't building new young stars, except for The Shield (and maybe Bo Dallas now).
The scary part is they were building him as the man in 2004. Almost 10 years.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:42 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Please fucking tell me who is ready to be a big star. You people act like its a roster full of HBKS.

They have maybe three people that have star potential imo, Ambrose, Reigns and Sandow. And they are doing fine with them so far.
Exactly. I don’t get it either and some of these young guys don’t know how to carry themselves as a “World Champion”. IWC's Dolph Ziggler isn’t one of them, he screams mid-card material.
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Exactly. I don’t get it either and some of these young guys don’t know how to carry themselves as a “World Champion”. IWC's Dolph Ziggler isn’t one of them, he screams mid-card material.
I somewhat agree. But to say Roman Reigns is a potential star whilst Dolph Ziggler isn't? I don't know about that.
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