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Old 02-09-2013, 06:20 AM   #31 (permalink)
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How do they expect to do that when the WWE champion doesn't show up? They can at least make up something for storyline purposes explaining The Rock's absence. But no, all they do is show a video package of him we already saw last week. And that it's. Just a video package, and nothing that furthers the storyline of CM Punk and Rock.
They could make other storylines better and improve the product elsewhere. Besides The Rock hasn't been there for one week, he will be at RAW on monday building up to his Elimination Chamber defence. I must be honest not having the champion wasn't the biggest problem with RAW on monday, the biggest problem is filling the show with interesting storylines/matches and they didn't do that.

It makes good business sense to have The Rock champion, Vince knows that and that is why CM Punk's title reign was ended by The Great One. Won't be long until Cena is back as champion anyway ever single week and don't you worry about a week off for the champ .
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:33 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Lesnar's matches aren't necessarily rusty, just extremely stiff.
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:44 AM   #33 (permalink)
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How is it not believable that rock couldn't go over these people? In his prime, he beat arguably the 3 most credible superstars of all time in Hogan, Austin, and The Undertaker. You want to explain to me how it's not believable that a guy who's beaten them couldn't beat The Miz , CM Punk, and John Cena. Or are you just talking out of your ass?
His point is pretty clear and can be described with that there's no way an MMA fighter leaves to make movies when he turns 30 and then comes back at the age of 40 to dominate.

I don't think his point is very valid though since wrestling by nature requires you to suspend disbelief for much more unrealistic things than that. Age, absence, size etc are just far smaller realism factors than things like Irish Whips, the superhuman durability and recouperation of wrestlers etc. Therefor I think most of the times people talk about what's unbelievable on this board just refers to their own limitations of imagination rather than any objective sense of it.

I don't think there's any problems with The Rock returning as he has. The only dumb thing in my opinion is that they use him to get Cena over again, but that's a whole different matter.

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Old 02-09-2013, 07:28 AM   #34 (permalink)
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It truly annoys me to no end when people say WWE doesn't or can't create new stars. Let's take a look at a few factors.

1) The roster was loaded in the mid 00's. At the top of the card you had HHH, Cena, Batista, and Taker. Right below that are the guys that can main event or placed in high profile feuds in Jericho, Orton, HBK, Edge, and Booker. That's still not counting guys like Punk, Kennedy, Hardy, or MVP. Quite honestly, there's only so many guys you can have around the top of your card.

2) They HAVE created stars in the past 7yrs other than Cena.
Batista - He was Cena's equal and one could argue that if Batista didn't get hurt twice at the end of 2005/beginning of 2006, that HE may be the face of the company and not Cena. Even despite all his injuries, he was the guy that was carrying the SD! brand. Left for MMA.
Randy Orton - Did people forget about him? It's not WWE's fault that they cannot fully trust him due to his 2 strikes.
Jeff Hardy - Personal problems derailed his run. Had those demons been behind him, he could be a huge money-maker right now for them. Left for TNA.
Edge - He may not be as big a name as Cena or Batista, but he was someone that you can count on to deliver quality matches and fill in main event feuds. Retired.
Punk - Currently the clear-cut #2 guy in the company.

Here's 3 guys that they're currently trying to establish as legit top guys:
Sheamus - Given a solid run with WHC and is relatively over with the fans yet it seems like we still refuse to acknowledge that he's a true star because he isn't on the same level as Cena or even Punk.
Alberto Del Rio - Same as Sheamus but to a lesser degree.
Ryback - You know they're trying to make him the next big star.

That's just in the past 2yrs and they've already established CM Punk but yet they're still doing more. Sure, some fans would prefer to swap out Del Rio and Ryback for guys like Barrett or Ziggler but the point still stands.


3) The deaths of Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit. This is important because that's two big time talents that this current crop of young wrestlers in the company today could learn from. You can't replace that kind of knowledge.

4) When everyone either left for a different company or retired, it left a big gap between the main event and the midcard. It's hard filling that gap with a roster where everybody could beat everybody because how exactly do you separate them? You cannot just have one or two guys start beating everyone else all of a sudden when you had them losing to them just recently.


Seriously, it's an absolute joke to either say that they don't know how to make stars anymore or they refuse to make stars anymore.

The MAIN problem that the WWE has is that other than Cena, they don't have someone that could give an instant mega rub to a guy they're trying to legitimize. Lesnar was legitimized by Rock and Taker. Cena was legitimized by Angle, HHH, and HBK. Batista was legitimized by HHH as was Benoit. Punk was somewhat legitimized by Cena but Punk has yet to be established enough to where he could give that rub. Just look at Orton currently. He's not in a position to give a good rub to someone because his credibility is currently lacking compared to how he was.

THAT's why WWE needs guys like Brock and Rock right now. Rock helped give Punk a rub even in defeat and one could only hope for feuds like Brock-Sheamus, Brock/Rock-Orton, or Rock-Ziggler. Anything that helps cement the top guys or elevate people into those top positions.
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Rock and Brock bring ratings and money to the company and thats what Vince likes so they are here for however long
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:53 PM   #36 (permalink)
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yeah ive always thought lesnar was over hyped not to mention ever since he left and went to UFC hes even more of a beast now but in reality he didnt even do that well in the UFC thats why he left..........
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Please fucking tell me who is ready to be a big star. You people act like its a roster full of HBKS.

They have maybe three people that have star potential imo, Ambrose, Reigns and Sandow. And they are doing fine with them so far.
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Rock and Brock bring ratings and money to the company and thats what Vince likes so they are here for however long
This. Plus I'd take a part time Rock as Champion over a full time Cena as Champion anyway (and it seems a lot of people would)...
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The routine is getting old fast. Especially Brock. At least have the guy wrestle every time he appears. He comes out F5s someone and leaves or breaks their arm. You paying the guy better than probably %95 of the roster to appear for 3 minutes or so?
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The routine is getting old fast. Especially Brock. At least have the guy wrestle every time he appears. He comes out F5s someone and leaves or breaks their arm. You paying the guy better than probably %95 of the roster to appear for 3 minutes or so?
Those three minutes Brock is out are more entertaining and thrilling than having Punk or Cena being out there for an hour...
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