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Old 02-08-2013, 05:59 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Yep.
Current WWE reminds me of dying days of WCW.
There's no plan on future main eventers anymore.
Expect to see at least 5 more years of Cena in main event and old stars coming back every week.
I personally believe that Cena's going to go down with a career ending injury within the next 4-5 years. You can't sprint a marathon for as long as he has now and not expect it to catch up with you eventually.

The thing is they don't know how to make stars anymore. If wrestler a) gets over on there own without the WWE's help there more then likely going to be either buried because creative didn't come up with it themselves or they'll be given a different gimmick that's beyond dreadful. If wrestler b) get's over (with WWE's help of course) and can't stay over for longer then 6 months they more or less thrown on the bottom of the pile and deemed a failure. Have these fuckers ever heard the term that Rome wasn't built in a day?

Relying on your past in order to sell your present is one of the shittiest business models any company can ever have because it's simply not sustainable and it does more far damage in the long run then anything else.

Under that type of hegemony dictatorship just how in the blue hell do they expect to thrive? It's impossible.

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Old 02-08-2013, 06:04 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Better enjoy them now. In 3 years, we won't be seeing the Rock, Lesnar, Undertaker, nor Punk anymore.
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And that's exactly why WWE is failing beyond imaginable level.
WWE literally gave up on creating new stars.
Without old stars coming back. WWE is completely doomed.
Yup. They should have been building some new stars in the mid 2000s, other than just Cena. They made Cena, but they didn't really make anyone else all that much.
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While Rock and Lesnar are very good in spurts for business, the business won't be able to thrive long-term if WWE keeps using them as a crutch like they've been doing. Not just them, but Taker, HHH, and Vince as well. Rock and Lesnar should come back, get some big wins, but before they're done with WWE completely, put over a young talent hugely. I think if WWE does things correctly, Rock and Lesnar can put over Ryback and Sheamus as top faces by losing to them in a big match situation. Punk's the same. The thing is Rock can lose multiple times and still put someone over with the same effectiveness as long as he gets his fair share of wins, but Lesnar's next loss, whenever it is, unless it's a streak match with Taker, should be his last loss. He should be winning all his matches because his credibility isn't reliant on an entertainment factor, but an invincible intangible, that he'd need to keep up as much as possible. Imagine him decimating HHH at WM, destroying Cena at Summerslam to get his win back on Cena and prove Cena's win was a fluke, WM next year he demolishes The Rock, then if they want they could have at SS or SVS 2014 face Taker and end his career if they want Taker to go out on a loss. If they want Taker to go out at Mania on a win, have Lesnar brutalize a (by that time face) CM Punk. Keep in mind in all these matches, he looks as good as dominant as he did in the match against Cena last year, maybe even more so. Then at Wrestlemania 31, Lesnar's last date on his contract, he ends up facing Ryback or Sheamus (preferably Ryback for someone like me), Ryback takes the full fight to Lesnar and matches him blow for blow, strength for strength, and Ryback in the end soundly defeats Lesnar and ends his reign of terror on the WWE. Ryback's the top face of the company, and that's that.

If they want to give Sheamus a rub against Lesnar, or Ryback if Sheamus faces and beats Lesnar at Mania instead, is have him in a match against Lesnar and while Lesnar soundly defeats Sheamus/Ryback, Sheamus/Ryback still gets in more shots and puts up more of a fight than any other WWE superstar to that point, though the match is still dominated for the most part by Lesnar.

As for Rock, he could easily lose against Punk at Elimination Chamber, which would put Punk over immensely, though Rock has already helped Punk quite a bit by just being in the same program. Rock will lose to Cena at Mania more than likely, and then maybe he beats Orton before WM30 to maintain his strong win-loss record to help it so when he gets defeated by Lesnar, he's giving Lesnar some extra oomph as well. He could then beat some other top guy, maybe have a third match with Cena at Summerslam or SVS 2014 where he beats him, and then the person who doesn't face Lesnar at WM31 faces Rock between Ryback and Sheamus, and beats him.

You could then build towards big Cena/Sheamus, a PPV Punk/Sheamus, and Ryback/Cena matches throughout the year, and then at WM32 or WM33 if you want to keep both guys looking ultra strong for another year, you have the big-time Ryback vs. Sheamus match. Then from there you can turn one of them into a mega-heel, have him steal a win back and have him reign over WWE until the next big face comes up.

Or preferably, Barrett, Sandow, or even Cena rises up as the top mega-heel of the company by that point, keeps the title off Ryback and Sheamus in an extremely dominant way and gets defeated by the next big face, whoever that will be by WM34 or WM35, and then solidify him as a top face by having go over the former top faces in Ryback and Sheamus, turning one or both of them heel at different times and keep the cycle going, maybe not as formulaic, but with that idea, so the needs for Rock and Lesnar aren't needed to get ratings up, but rather supplement and fill out the show if they ever come back. They wouldn't need to take the main event spot(s) either so the young guns can have it.
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I'm a fan of Lesnar. And The Rock. But all Lesnar does is come to the ring once in a while, throw a fit then have an awful (rust-fest) wrestling match at a PPV. It's not much different with The Rock. There's something missing here, it's called viewer investment. Simply put: If you're not on the road, you shouldn't be headlining a show.

Same with The Rock. Here today, gone tommorow. Why bother?
Brock had a "rust-fest" WWE moty with Cena last year. Rock is the biggest main stream star in wrestling history as long as he wants to headline Mania he will.
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I'm personally loving the returns of both The Rock/Brock Lesnar and will continue to do so over the coming years. I don't want to see the WWE completely reliant on John Cena like 06-10. Might aswell make the most of these part time stars as they won't be around forever and the WWE will struggle to replace them.
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Good thread. I'm a fan of rock, but him being champ is only good short term, long term its a bag of shit, he'll drop it to cena (ye like he needs more pushes) and then what? Only punk is as over if not more than anyone in the roster, they need to make more stars sooner rather than later.
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Good thread. I'm a fan of rock, but him being champ is only good short term, long term its a bag of shit, he'll drop it to cena (ye like he needs more pushes) and then what? Only punk is as over if not more than anyone in the roster, they need to make more stars sooner rather than later.
I would say it is good for the WWE long term, as having The Rock as the WWE Champion gives the WWE a chance at reaching the audience that have fallen away from the product over the last few years. It is then their job to make those fans continue to watch the product in the coming months/years.

I stopped watching the WWE from around 07/08 till Nov 2011 and I only started watching again because of The Rock's Survivor Series match with Cena vs Truth/Miz. I then watched the whole SS ppv and enjoyed Punk's work which has made me a fan of his and therefore continued following the product in the absence of The Rock.

I went off a bit then but you get my drift .
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I would say it is good for the WWE long term, as having The Rock as the WWE Champion gives the WWE a chance at reaching the audience that have fallen away from the product over the last few years. It is then their job to make those fans continue to watch the product in the coming months/years.

I stopped watching the WWE from around 07/08 till Nov 2011 and I only started watching again because of The Rock's Survivor Series match with Cena vs Truth/Miz. I then watched the whole SS ppv and enjoyed Punk's work which has made me a fan of his and therefore continued following the product in the absence of The Rock.

I went off a bit then but you get my drift .
How do they expect to do that when the WWE champion doesn't show up? They can at least make up something for storyline purposes explaining The Rock's absence. But no, all they do is show a video package of him we already saw last week. And that it's. Just a video package, and nothing that furthers the storyline of CM Punk and Rock.
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I agree this could be said about the Rock...but Lesnar is an absolute beast in the ring. THE most impressive son of a gun I have ever seen. Where the fuck do you get off putting him in this category? Sure, he is not a full timer, but the mother fucker is far from rusty.... he could kick your ass with one finger.
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