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Loudness · 01-29-2013, 04:17 PM

He's a good upper midcard guy, I wouldn't mind seeing him win the WHC at some point with the MITB cash in again. He's not good enough to be a top-tier maineventer as a heel, as a face idk, he's been heeling his whole career so far but I doubt he's that good. Wouldn't say he's overrated though, only the minority would prefer him over Bryan, (and I personally prefer Tyson Kidd or Cesaro in the Ring most of the times, but he's definitely top 4), and I never heard about even beeing mentioned in a conversation about WWEs current best mic workers. He's just a very solid overall worker, once people call him The GOAT you can start calling him overrated, but until the I see no point in OP, because the thing he's known for (ring work) is actually one of the best and most consistent in the WWE.

KeepinItReal · 01-29-2013, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by truk83

Invalid, people are not watching Ziggler, and his matches. Hence the reason they put him against Cena. It was to prove that Cena is the draw, and that you can place him against anyone including some overrated piece of meat like Ziggler.

Yes, that's right, they give him a feud against John Cena to prove he doesn't draw. They're trying to prove to.... somebody, that Dolph Ziggler sucks.

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Originally Posted by truk83

I tried to like this guy, and I guess I appreciate his work in the ring. However, there are better workers in the WWE than Ziggler. One of them is in the Shield, and Daniel Bryan is another that comes to mind. He has zero charisma, and I can't believe people think that this man should have been given the figure four. He sounds like a teen aged boy, and forgot to give Billy Gun his "look" back. I can't stand Cena, but in no way should he have worked with that nobody of a star Dolph Ziggler. Is there potential for Ziggler as a "face"? Possibly, but right now I know that is easily the most overrated talent on the roster that is in the position that they are in right now. The man is the MITB holder, and it means nothing right now.

Shield is great, Ambrose is great, they're shit compared to Ziggler. They barely TALK, and only Ambrose sounds good when they do talk. How can that put them over Ziggler in the ring or on the mic? And Bryan is better on the microphone? No. And, as far as MITB not meaning anything, this is the 5,000,000th non-unique argument used on the IWC; the MITB never means anything before its cashed in, lol and I would argue it means more today but that's just cuz I really like Ziggler.

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Originally Posted by TehJerichoFan

The fact that he struggled to get over with the crowd (so much that they paired him with Vickie) until recently is only a testament to that.

Of course, because anyone with a manager or an entourage must be terrible without them. Triple H, CM Punk, Kurt Angle, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Kane, Daniel Bryan, The Shield is an entourage. Wrestling needs more than feuds to tell stories, that's why wrestlers have to have allies and normal conversations while on TV. Punk and Heyman are arrogant bastards because of how they are with each other. Ziggler TALKS when he's with Vickie or AJ; this isn't silent, boring Lesnar who can't cut a promo if his life depended on it, so they bring in Heyman.

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For starters lets go with Bray Wyatt who is currently in NXT. Wyatt is a far better heel, and character than Ziggler ever will be. Granted he may not be on the main roster, but his talent is superior to Dolph's.

Damien Sandow shits better promos than Ziggler. He has more appeal than Ziggler as well. Everything about Damien stands out as original for those who can't remember The Genius. Ziggler is Billy Gunn 50lbs lighter, and 75% less talented.

How about Daniel Bryan? This guy is doing everything right with his character, and he is one of the best in the ring. Ziggler couldn't hold his boots if he wanted to. Yet, Ziggler is fucking around pretending to be a MITB show off. Bryan would make a better MITB winner, oh wait he was.

Ziggler is definitely more charismatic than Wyatt, Sandow, and Bryan. I don't even know how to argue with this. They're all great, don't get me wrong.

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Originally Posted by The Cynical Heel

Compare that to your favorite wrestler's best promos! Seriously, try to apply consistent standards and say he's not great on the mic. He's not boring and monotone, he says different things each time, he plays his character in the ring like Randy Orton and The Rock do, stealing the show and being the showoff relates to his in-ring character. The dude's great. He really is the complete package. The only criticism I can think of is that being the arrogant, cocky heel is stereotypical, but by those standards so is every other wrestling gimmick; there are 80,000 cocky heels, some main eventers some not. He still plays that character as well as anyone.

KeepinItReal · 01-29-2013, 04:40 PM

To all you Ziggler haters, is he at least in your top ten? And I don't wanna be an asshole and tell you what to do, but I'd really appreciate if I saw who you thought was better than Ziggler. I think that a lot of the hate towards wrestlers is just cynicism that holds wrestlers to unreachable standards, so when we say a certain wrestler is awesome or terrible, I wanna know how they COMPARE talent, rather than just an up-or-down vote.

xdoomsayerx · 01-29-2013, 04:45 PM

Guys who are more overrated than ziggler

Miz
Del Rio
Sheamus
Big show
Barrett
Cesaro
Sandow
Rhodes

And I like a couple of those guys^

I just don't understand how people think he's the most overrated guy in the company

Ph3n0m · 01-29-2013, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by truk83

Ziggler has zero charisma. He is drawing ratings when he is on? Nope. He has nothing other than being given the opportunities to feud with stars like Cena, and win the MITB. Ziggler is the second best worker on the roster? Right. Where did you come up with that?

You're one man, you can't be the judge of what people tune in for. Ziggler isn't currently built as the center of the show so sure he isn't gonna have a major influence on the ratings swings. But on the other hand, you have ZERO idea how many of the people that are tuned in are there in part because of Ziggler's performances.

For me the guy has done nothing but improve in the past 12 months and his TV matches put most of Cena's PPV matches to shame. But hey, nah - he's overrated - WWE should be focusing on Albert dancing in a thong, right?

el dandy · 01-29-2013, 04:49 PM

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Oh jesus. When will people learn the difference between selling and bumping. He's a great BUMPER. He's average at SELLING. Just because he BUMPS well and pointlessly kills himself for a clothesline, doesn't make him a good worker. He's average at best, has very little character other than "typical cocky heel" and isn't anything groundbreaking on the mic.

Is he a solid worker, yes. Is he overrated, hugely. I'd struggle to put him in the top 10 workers of the company;

Cena, Cesaro, Bryan, Punk, Henry, Big Show, Sheamus, Rey Mysterio, Chris Jericho, possibly Alberto Del Rio, possibly Randy Orton, Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose (based on their indy work and FCW work). All of whom are much more captivating workers and stand out a hell of a lot more than Ziggler. As soon as Ziggler learns how to work an interesting control period of a match, then I'd consider him, but he's just so bland and boring when in control it frustrates me. Turning him face, may solve the problem, but there's far too many faces at the minute.

Your list needs more Christian, though. Much more Christian.

DJ2334 · 01-29-2013, 04:49 PM

He's defended the MITB briefcase twice against Cena and Jericho. How does it mean "nothing right now" (if anything he's the most legit MITB briefcase holder yet)? Pretty fucking stupid thing to say and I'm not even a Ziggler mark.

Fenice · 01-29-2013, 04:58 PM

Zero charisma is way overboard and he is at the very least top 5 in work rate. I'm shocked this hasn't been locked yet for obvious trolling.

Jeff Hardy Hater · 01-29-2013, 04:59 PM

I like how all of the Barrett marks are the same one who hate on Ziggler.

I mean, I like Barrett, but only one of them elicits a decent reaction, and he's Ziggler.

Kelly Kelly fan · 01-29-2013, 04:59 PM

OP you are so wrong Dolph is the best worker in WWE right now and he is being held back by not being champion already. This guy busts his ass every night and sells his ass off