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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

Ziggler is a mid-carder and thats about it. he doesn't have an ounce of charisma and he is just terrible on the mic. only the IWC cares about his in ring work and he is also generic with his gimmick. wow another pretty boy blonde guy who is arrogant.

so it appears the only reason he should be a main eventer is because he can sell. really? thats your reasoning to put the belt on him because he sells well?

the only reason anyone knows his name is because he has been overly pushed to high heaven by whoever he is blowing backstage. he might be a head liner in say TNA but now in the WWE
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Ziggler is a guy who got fucking lucky because Barret was injured.
Barrett's healthy now and he still sucks. How about that?

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Guys who are more overrated than ziggler

Miz
Del Rio
Sheamus
Big show
Barrett
Cesaro
Sandow
Rhodes

And I like a couple of those guys^

I just don't understand how people think he's the most overrated guy in the company
This really spoke to me. From a complete package PoV, ziggler has a slew of great matches to his name, a handful of good feuds & some decent promos.
I've never seen barret or sandow hit a *** match & between them they have the winds of change promo and 2 memorable sandow promos totally about the opponent (rock/dx reunion).
Del rio, sheamus & Cesaro have no memorable promos but atleast they have some great matches under their belts.
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This really spoke to me. From a complete package PoV, ziggler has a slew of great matches to his name, a handful of good feuds & some decent promos.
I've never seen barret or sandow hit a *** match & between them they have the winds of change promo and 2 memorable sandow promos totally about the opponent (rock/dx reunion).
Del rio, sheamus & Cesaro have no memorable promos but atleast they have some great matches under their belts.


100% agree. Thank you for making my point

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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

people said Ziggler sells better than anyone else...

seriously? the guy oversells in many spots. like when he got Codebreaker in RR and he bounce 10 feet away like an idiot and it makes him & Jericho look bad either.

good selling =/= overselling

sell too much = bad selling

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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

What's with this 'X is a better worker than Y'?

Ziggler having zero charisma? Really?

By the way he isn't overrated in the slightest. Ziggler should be a main eventer, because he has proven that he can deliver in every aspect.
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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

It's not that Ziggler has no charisma. It's because his charisma is subdued and still hasn't translated to television. Though I wouldn't grade his charisma as anything extraordinary, it's probably about average. Ziggler's biggest issue that he has had for his entire career is he seriously lacks the physical presence and natural star aura needed to be a top guy.

Physical presence like a guy like Brock Lesnar has who just shows up on television and everyone in the arena immediately pays attention to him without him doing a single thing. Though Brock is an exceptional and likely textbook definition of "presence" in that people have massive reactions to him on either end of the spectrum in the example that audiences burst out in "Holy Shit" chants merely by his entrance and him not even doing or saying anything.

Ziggler doesn't have this aspect and is why he overcompensates with his bumping to get noticed as said many times in interviews he does.

I do have one question for anyone who might feel that Dwayne Johnson "owes" the business. Is it just him, or is it anyone who moved on to other things? Should Luna Vachon get heat for running a towing company instead of working on RAW? Should Maven be critiqued on his Home Shopping Network bits instead of wrestling?

Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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I too can't seem to get into Ziggler as legitimate main event material no matter how hard I try.

However I remember feeling the same way about Triple H back in 97 and 98 and look how he turned out.

Fact is, he has some work to do to become a true draw as world champ, but ultimately, he reminds me of Jeff Jarrett of WCW, a guy who has the talent, but is midcarder for life unless he's pushed to the moon by the powers that be.
Yeah but Triple H had a cool name, not Dolph Ziggler, ew.
That is another problem with WWE superstars nowadays. They will never get over with names like that.

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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

Ziggler just lacks that final bit of polish. his ring work and, mic skills and selling outshine 85% of the roster. Hes one of the very few who actually deserves a title push.
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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

Ziggler is one of the only reasons I bother watching this shit any more.
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