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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

The IWC is to Vince McMahon as Dolph Ziggler is to John Cena.
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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

sometimes i think people makes things way more complicated than they already are. I don't need to bring in mic work, in ring work and charisma to justified me liking a wrestler, i connect with him, sometimes is really that simple

I like the fact that he started off as a nobody and busted his ass off to get better, is he the best performer? no, I think not. is he my favorite? you can bet your asses.

Now.. with this in mind i can aknowledge his limits, but i thinks that his limits come from inexperience, he is a wwe guy, he know pretty much only that kind of world and like it or not, while many time our favorites seems buried by the booking, they are often protected, they don't get the chance to shine until they are ready (or vince thinks so anyway)

Ziggler didn't find himself often in a sink or swim situation, he never got the chance to tune up his character, his taunt, his in ring style and to understand what connects with the crowd.. i don't think dolph is a natural what he got comes from training and studying, so let the guy be, let him learn, he will tune things up the more wwe will let him free

yes, his promo often seems forced but sometimes he shows he can do a pretty good promo, the skills are there he only needs to master them

and about his in ring work, c'mon guys now, selling and bumping is not the only things he can do, just watch his match with bryan a few month ago, or his matches with sheamus, or his matches with cena.. is he the best? again, maybe no, but that doesn't make him necessary bad


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John Cena is the poster boy for overrated. Never has a top star failed so badly at getting a whole crowd to cheer him. Even Bret, despite no charisma, never got booed as a face.

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Ziggler bumps better than anybody

that alone makes his matches entertaining to watch

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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

It doesn't matter about whether Ziggler's a good worker or seller. Being a good worker or seller doesn't mean he should main event.

Ziggler's boring, sucks on the mic and needs a proper gimmick. He's overrated.
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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

I think the OP mistakenly thought that we Ziggler fans would give a flying fuck what he thought...

If I cared what the rest of the IWC thought of my opinions, I'd be a pretty sad individual. Luckily, I don't. I think Ziggler is an awesome worker who, unlike 99% of the rest of the roster (Punk, Cesaro, Sandow and Cody being the exceptions) makes me want to watch what he does because I find him entertaining. His bumping is almost Mr. Perfect caliber, I like his mannerisms pertaining to his character (like the elbow drop collection he does) when he's in ring and he's just generally solid when it comes to wrestling skills.

Others may not like him, and that's fine. I fucking detest Daniel Bryan for my own reasons. Like whoever you want. I hear people constantly say that his gimmick is a ripoff...just about all gimmicks these days are ripoffs, why are you singling out one guy for it? You dislike Ziggler for other reasons, that's fine, just say so. Its the lame ass beating around the bush that pisses me, for one, off. A billion excuses to hide the truth that you just don't like his face or something because it irks you. Why not just say that to begin with? I can do it-I think Bryan is an ugly human being, when he's in the ring I think he's the equivalent of paint drying, I don't buy for one second that he can hang with guys like the Shield or Kane in a match, his current character pushes every button to irritate me and I think he's incredibly unconvincing on the mic. What might be worse are his marks on this site. See? Easy.

I'm failing to see the purpose of this thread. Someone posts an unpopular opinion and suddenly its 13 pages of arguing. Why do you give a shit what truk's opinion is, especially if it conflicts with yours? Ignore him.



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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

People seriously need to learn the definition of the word, "charisma." Ziggler has a boatload of charisma. Where Ziggler fails to deliver is actual delivery. It is painfully evident that Ziggler will always sound awkward on the mic. He has gotten to the point where he can hold his own in a big feud with a top-flight star, but he'll never be "the man."

Does that make him overrated? I don't think so. I think he's properly rated where he is. Take the mean of all the hardcore Ziggler fans (like myself) and his detractors and voila.


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Ziggler in my opinion is one of the best wrestlers in the WWE right now. He knows how to sell moves, and he performs them well. John Cena is more overrated than Ziggler.
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Ah yes, MOTN on a 2 match card, most impressive. Besides, the Rumble match was better (in both 10 and 11). But I'm sure you'll exclude those because it is convenient.

What show has he stolen since he has used this gimmick? I'll be waiting....
4 match card and it was a 20 minute classic. The fans were on the edge of their seat in that match, both men made you care about who won. Show stealer no doubt, I've seen more people talk about this match than the Rumble match itself that year.
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4 match card and it was a 20 minute classic. The fans were on the edge of their seat in that match, both men made you care about who won. Show stealer no doubt, I've seen more people talk about this match than the Rumble match itself that year.
Yeah, just saw Bryan/Ziggler at Bragging Rights 2010. Great match. Hopefully that's a title match at Mania one day.

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