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post #111 of 157 (permalink) Old 01-29-2013, 06:50 PM
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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

Ziggler is a great seller, he has good in ring ability and plays his gimmick perfectly. He's alot better than others who have been pushed alot further.
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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

Ziggler has zero charisma! Ziggler is full of charisma!, charisma this charisma that!, next HBK blah blah blah, and someone bring the definition of charisma from some web dictionary and start explaining how it fit or unfit Ziggler's persona... lately Ziggler convos are so full of win xD

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Lol @ Meltzer being treated like god.

Meltzer gives Kurt angle much better match ratings than Ziggler, but from what I've seen of the two, Ziggler at this point is a much better than Angle.

th sad truith that al of u cant ceem to grrasp is dat wrestlig is getig les poplar each day and no bodde caires abot it

vinse is senile at this poiint and th growth of tna has pleateuaed nd roh has nevr bin mor than his a crapy cult
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Numbers for what? The number of people that raised their hands when you asked them if they think Dolph Ziggler toterly sucx1!!!?

You asked when he stole a show, people replied with times that he stole a show. But those "show steals" didn't count because Meltzer didn't like them? What?... Are you not open to the idea that maybe you don't like Ziggler as much as everyone else does, and that's the reason you're trying to belittle his accomplishments? Because like I said, having a different opinion to everyone is no crime. I just don't see why you have to make everyone think your opinion is the "right" one.
Ay, I asked since he got the gimmick.

I'm still waiting BTW. The closest thing he has come to stealing the show was SS 2012, and that's not because he put on a MOTY candidate... the entire PPV sucked balls. Ziggler has also never even come close to being involved in a MOTY kind of match. I actually was pretty gobsmacked myself when I did some due diligence and found out Ziggler has only been involved in 1 **** match. I guess I was victim to his marks hyping up his work. I mean, Jericho didn't even get **** out of Ziggler at SummerSlam.

As I said, he's good in the ring... but he's not that good.

The best attribute Ziggler has is his look. His work rate is above average and his promo is below par.
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Lol @ Meltzer being treated like god.

Meltzer gives Kurt angle much better match ratings than Ziggler, but from what I've seen of the two, Ziggler at this point is a much better than Angle.


are you comparing ziggler to angle now? Or in his prime like ziggler is? Because as much as a ziggler fan I am, saying he puts on better matches than angle is going over the top

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Of course, because anyone with a manager or an entourage must be terrible without them.
I never said such a thing, nor was there any implication of that. Way to put words in my mouth, champ.

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Vickie was Ziggler's mouthpiece for quite some time. But oh, I guess some of their promos a few years back don't count.

Get out of here with that.

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Here is a fun fact:

Dolph Ziggler has only ever been involved in 1 **** or better match (not including MITB, then it would be whooping 3 as **** were given for SD MITB 10 and WHC MITB 12):

against Cena at TLC (****).

Source: http://starratingslist.blogspot.com/...6-present.html

That is a terrible rate considering marks love to praise Ziggler as "Top 5 worker in the company". Ziggler has basically had 1 very good match in the hundreds he has worked.

He's good, but he's not that good, folks.
Meltzer is an indy spot fest mark. The more movez and finisher kick outs the better lol.
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Lol @ Meltzer being treated like god.

Meltzer gives Kurt angle much better match ratings than Ziggler, but from what I've seen of the two, Ziggler at this point is a much better than Angle.
Ziggler needs to start throwing 150 german suplexs every match, put an ankle lock on then irish whip his opponent the next move, and really in general just wrestle like the Flash on coke to get a high star rating from the movez mark Meltzer.
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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

LOL The OP is an obvious troll bringing up ratings to determine someone being overrated

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Lol @ Meltzer being treated like god.

Meltzer gives Kurt angle much better match ratings than Ziggler, but from what I've seen of the two, Ziggler at this point is a much better than Angle.
Angle is still one of the best overall today

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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

Also lets not forget that wrestling is like the 5th best thing Ziggler does.
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