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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

Meltzer is just another person with an opinion.

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post #102 of 157 (permalink) Old 01-29-2013, 06:36 PM
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your going off dave metzler? All that fucking idiot looks at is technical wrestling... The same Guy who said hbk/taker at WM 25 wasn't a 5 star match.
Like him, love him, hate him... Dave is the measuring stick. You don't see on guys wiki pages "Xdoomsayerx's or El Dandy's 5 star rated match" in their accomplishments.


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Oh, right, what was I thinking? Meltzer gave it three and a half stars, I probably imagined enjoying the hell out of it.

Whoops. Silly me. How could I possibly have mistaken that match for one of 2011's finest?
I don't know how you could have. You probably also think Edge/ADR at Mania was one of the best matches of the year, too. That's cool, I'll continue using Observer's scale as a reference and not the "greendayedgemark if Edge was involved it is an instant MOTY candidate" scale.

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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

I don't find him overrated at all. He is great in the ring, dosent botch his moves, is good on the mic, and has developed a nice aggressive attitude. Also he has paid his dues in WWW. He was in the Spirit Squad back a few years ago and came back with the Ziggler look. I think WWE is setting him up to be champion within a few months and a depending on how that goes he could stick to the mainevent level. This man has earned his position in the company. I will admit it took me a while to warm up to him but that was partly because I find Vickie so annoying, now that he hs dropped that albatross, I see him going far.
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What match were you watching?

I know it was one of Edge's last and you'll romantizes it as being something great, but when Meltzer only gives it a *** 1/2... you know it is just average.

Last time I check, run of the mill 3 star matches aren't in the running for "MOTY". Techincally it was in the running I guess because e it was the first match rated that year lol
Oh, right, what was I thinking? Meltzer gave it three and a half stars, I probably imagined enjoying the hell out of it.

Whoops. Silly me. How could I possibly have mistaken that match for one of 2011's finest?


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So you just proved you're just a troll aiming to provoke a reaction, thank you booker wannabe.
THANK YOU... been waiting for somebody to say something about that. Got tired of him going into every thread and writing an essay about some fantasy booking he came up with.

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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

I come bringing numbers to back up my claims, all you butt hurt marks have is "Oh..well.. that's.. just like..Dave's opinion, man"

Guaranteed if Ziggler ever puts his money where his mouth is and ACTUALLY steals a show and puts on that magnificent match that gets rated favorably by Wrestling Observer the Ziggler marks will wear it like a badge on their sleeves.
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Re: Ziggler defines overrated...

I'm the furthest thing from a Dolph mark too. Never has done shit for me. Him against Jericho on the mic last night reminded me so very much why WWE was more entertaining in the past. Ziggler is just boring. He's there to shake his ass, scream like a maniac, and then take a shit ton of bumps until he inevitably loses. And yeah, his teenage voice and pretty boy "show off" persona don't help his credibility, but he's booked like a glorified midcarder anyway. Just a watered down mixture of Shawn Michaels, Mr Perfect, and Billy Gunn.

Yeah, he can put on a show to some extent, but that's it. He's insanely overrated with smarks, but casuals could care less about him. I just think he is what he's been for the past 7 years - a midcard heel. Not a top star.

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Ziggler has zero charisma. He is drawing ratings when he is on? Nope. He has nothing other than being given the opportunities to feud with stars like Cena, and win the MITB. Ziggler is the second best worker on the roster? Right. Where did you come up with that?


Lost all credibility there. Another person with a hard on for ratings?

He has charisma. I don't think he is made to be a heel. Turn him face and he will rise pretty fast IMO.



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What match were you watching?

I know it was one of Edge's last and you'll romantizes it as being something great, but when Meltzer only gives it a *** 1/2... you know it is just average.

Last time I check, run of the mill 3 star matches aren't in the running for "MOTY". Techincally it was in the running I guess because e it was the first match rated that year lol
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Here is a fun fact:

Dolph Ziggler has only ever been involved in 1 **** or better match (not including MITB, then it would be whooping 3 as **** were given for SD MITB 10 and WHC MITB 12):

against Cena at TLC (****).

Source: http://starratingslist.blogspot.com/...6-present.html

That is a terrible rate considering marks love to praise Ziggler as "Top 5 worker in the company". Ziggler has basically had 1 very good match in the hundreds he has worked.

He's good, but he's not that good, folks.
LOL at you acting like Meltzer's ratings are set in stone.

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I come bringing numbers to back up my claims, all you butt hurt marks have is "Oh..well.. that's.. just like..Dave's opinion, man"

Guaranteed if Ziggler ever puts his money where his mouth is and ACTUALLY steals a show and puts on that magnificent match that gets rated favorably by Wrestling Observer the Ziggler marks will wear it like a badge on their sleeves.
Numbers for what? The number of people that raised their hands when you asked them if they think Dolph Ziggler toterly sucx1!!!?

You asked when he stole a show, people replied with times that he stole a show. But those "show steals" didn't count because Meltzer didn't like them? What?... Are you not open to the idea that maybe you don't like Ziggler as much as everyone else does, and that's the reason you're trying to belittle his accomplishments? Because like I said, having a different opinion to everyone is no crime. I just don't see why you have to make everyone think your opinion is the "right" one.


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