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Old 01-25-2013, 09:46 AM   #211 (permalink)
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You book Cena to look strong so when somebody beats him it looks big. Unfortunately, the first clean lost Cena had at Wrestlemania was against The Rock. Not a young talent, not the next face, but a person who's a mega-star.

You come here and keep posting like Cena is some kind of victim,now you talk about how he lost clean and now a new face cannot be made well when is he gonna lose clean to someone? was he gonna put ziggler over anytime soon? NO, hell he didnt even lost to Punk clean you think he was gonna put him over at Mania? a completely dumb argument;

The thing here is the the payoff already happen Rock won after a year of one of the most if not the most hypocritical programs in history,after Cena run his mouth week in and week out he couldnt do it he couldnt turned a single soul at Mania even with the entire WWE machine and Rock putting himself down for him no one wanted to see him win,Rock won to one of the biggest pops in history and the next night Cena comes out and no sells the entire year that he talked about how this match meant everything to him and after that he goes off no sells Lesnar and thats it the WWE and Cena completely forgot the last year and now he NEEDS to be put over cause you dont want to send the wrong message to the fans? LOL,No one wants to see it cause cause even Cena proved that he doesnt care he shook the lost off the next night how do you expect the rest of the world to give a dam,the lost didnt meant anything to him and his character remains the same and that its not changing any time soon.
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No problem bro, just thought it can be used a lot, especially now when The GOAT is coming back to be the Shark of greatness in the middle of a sea of mediocrity :Rock

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Old 01-25-2013, 10:10 AM   #212 (permalink)
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Strictly as a fan, Cena/Rock and Lesnar/HHH is the nightmare WrestleMania scenario. So we'll get a repeat of two matches we've seen in the last year, except this time both will be spectacularly predictable since our "heroes" need their revenge? Ugh. Spare me. I ordered last year, but I would not order that.
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i dont want to see it, but im interested in how they would book it, cause i feel its a necessity for one of them to turn heel, mainly Cena because Rock will get cheered either way
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if mania is gonna be headlined by Rock/Cena and HHH/Brock, then i'm not paying a single cent for it, no way in hell am I remotely interested in watching two rematches with the most obvious outcome since adding ketchup to a cheese omelette

it would be a shame if mania was booked like that, especially when you take in fact that this is the most star-studded mania in the last 5-10 years

I'm a huge Rock fan which is why i'm buying both RR and EC, but i'm not paying 50$ for a PPV that I know is gonna end with Rock handing Cena the belt and raising his hand

what scares me even more is Cena's title reign, I know he's gonna be booked strong and he's gonna settle all his vandettas, so expect him to make Punk tap out clean the next PPV and then make him scream "I Quit" on the one after, then after Punk the next target is Ziggler, expect him to pull off a great PPV match but then beaten like a bitch with a climax of Cena's ultimate no-selling smile

so no way in hell am I paying to see the beginning of that nightmare
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If its going to be Rock vs Cena again then I hope Rock wins again and owns his ass Cena cant win and cant get the title
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Strictly as a fan, Cena/Rock and Lesnar/HHH is the nightmare WrestleMania scenario. So we'll get a repeat of two matches we've seen in the last year, except this time both will be spectacularly predictable since our "heroes" need their revenge? Ugh. Spare me. I ordered last year, but I would not order that.
I completely agree thats exactly what I was going to say!! lol
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if mania is gonna be headlined by Rock/Cena and HHH/Brock, then i'm not paying a single cent for it, no way in hell am I remotely interested in watching two rematches with the most obvious outcome since adding ketchup to a cheese omelette

it would be a shame if mania was booked like that, especially when you take in fact that this is the most star-studded mania in the last 5-10 years

I'm a huge Rock fan which is why i'm buying both RR and EC, but i'm not paying 50$ for a PPV that I know is gonna end with Rock handing Cena the belt and raising his hand

what scares me even more is Cena's title reign, I know he's gonna be booked strong and he's gonna settle all his vandettas, so expect him to make Punk tap out clean the next PPV and then make him scream "I Quit" on the one after, then after Punk the next target is Ziggler, expect him to pull off a great PPV match but then beaten like a bitch with a climax of Cena's ultimate no-selling smile

so no way in hell am I paying to see the beginning of that nightmare

Yup,if thats the way they are going im done with Mania no way in hell im paying to see Cena beat Rock and giving him that horrible smile no selling the entire match and feud just so the next night he can come out to a heavily hostile crowd to let them know how much he loves every single one of them
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No problem bro, just thought it can be used a lot, especially now when The GOAT is coming back to be the Shark of greatness in the middle of a sea of mediocrity :Rock
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Yup,if thats the way they are going im done with Mania no way in hell im paying to see Cena beat Rock and giving him that horrible smile no selling the entire match and feud just so the next night he can come out to a heavily hostile crowd to let them know how much he loves every single one of them
To be quite honest, I think we might actually see a riot if Cena beats The Rock. I can see the rabbid NY crowd storming the ring.
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I'm going to preface this by saying that the poster FranticJane is quite possibly the biggest Cena mark and by relation the biggest idiot on these forums. Why people want to comment on shit they have zero understanding of is beyond me, but its up to some of us posters to put them into their places.

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I DO want to see it. And why?
Because John needs to get the win back, John NEEDS to go over Rock.
Yes, yes, I know Rock's a funny guy. But he's a celebrity, a part timers. No different than David Arquette, Dennis Rodman, Jay Leno or any other celebrity roped into the pro wrestling business. His past history doesn't change the fact that his priority is Hollywood and he should have NEVER gone over John at Wrestlemania.

John needs to get the win back, he needs this definitive moment, this past year has been really shitty for him and I think he deserves this one big standout moment that defines him as the torchbearer of WWE for years to come.

And it won't exactly be the same as it was last year. There'll be less childish insults from the Rock, he respects John now, so they can just fight without John having his gimmick buried by the Rock.
It'll be a different match held under different circumstances and with a different - RIGHT - outcome.
No. No he fucking doesn't. If there is someone in this company who absolutely, positively does NOT need the rub from going over one of the biggest stars of all time, its John Cena.

Why, you may ask? Passing the torch to someone usually is done when the person getting it passed to is on the rise and will be a major player in the next era. Its symbolic. Once Austin retired, Brock left, Rock went on to pursue other fields, etc, the WWE didn't pass Cena the torch-they fucking GAVE it to him. So why on earth would they need a match to pass Cena a torch that he already has? Its a waste of time.

He needs his win back for a definitive moment? Are you fucking high? This man has had so many fucking definitive moments in the past 7 years that he's got MORE than his fair share. 10 WWE Title Wins, I don't even know how many WHC wins, WM main event after WM main event, Royal Rumble, wins his first MiTB...HE DOESN'T NEED ANYMORE. You are insane if you think he does.

This past year has been shitty for him? Well boo fucking hoo. If a bad year for him is main eventing every single show except for 2, being the face of cancer month, getting god knows how many new apparel deals and designs, having title match after title match that he did NOT deserve, wins MiTB, then I'd shudder to think what you consider a good year is.

And I scoff at someone like you who chastises Rock for his childish insults, but will defend to your grave the asshole who is using childish insults and demeanors to DESTROY pro wrestling today. Nice double standard.

Its so laughable that you try in vain to defend someone in this respect and are so clearly wrong.


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HAD. WAS.
Rock left that life behind when he went off to Hollywoodland, put on a pink tutu and made a horses ass of himself.
And then he saunters back in and just gets GIVEN a title shot, just gets GIVEN a win over the biggest name in wrestling since Hulk Hogan.

Wrestling is a business that moves quickly, just because you USED to be a somebody, it doesn't give you the right to piss on everyones parade in the here and now.
It was wrong when Hogan did it and it's wrong when Rock's doing it now.

His past contributions do not excuse his glory-hoggishness.
Cena is NOT the biggest name since Hulk Hogan, and you need professional help if you think he is. Hogan, Rock and Austin-that's the top 3 most popular wrestling names of all time, followed by Flair and Sammartino. Cena is somewhere after that. Just because Cena is pushed as a big deal does NOT mean that he's as big as those other names.

Here's an example. I'm in college. I talk to some people who are younger than me and older than me. Every single one of them has heard of Steve Austin, Rock and Hulk Hogan. NONE have heard of John Cena. Zero. These people range from 18 to mid 30s. So no, he's not the biggest name since Hogan, and saying such a thing is idiotic that completely discredits the legitimate contributions and accomplishments of some of the greatest in the industry just so you can blindly push your Cena dick sucking full of WRONG facts.

And isn't it funny, yet again you complain that Rock does something that you don't agree with, but conveniently overlook it when Cena does it. "Cena you've lost every single big match this year!" So what happens? Let's give him a shot at Dolph's briefcase. Did he deserve it based on his previous performances? God no, he got it because he's John Cena. "Cena, I've beaten you every single time we've faced-you don't deserve another shot at my WWE title!" What happens? Cena gets 2 more shots, at NoC and Survivor Series. Why? Because he earned them? Of course not, its because he's John Cena. Hmm...Cena is getting opportunities based not on his current success, but his name and past successes...SOUNDS LIKE ROCK. You know, the guy you have no problem tearing into.

How dare you try and twist things around to suit your own argument. You're a petty douche and its so incredibly obvious.

And don't even try talking about hogging glory. Rey Mysterio losing his belt 90 minutes after he won it because Cena "deserved" a shot is the epitome of glory hogging.

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Let's be honest, it's true. I'll admit that Austin had a good run.
But I legitimately don't think anyone has had the longevity and mass market appeal of Hulk Hogan until John came onto the scene.

Austin's run, as lauded as it was, was met with derision from numerous special interests groups. Whereas John is praised for his charity work, seen as a role model and beloved by children and adults worldwide.

In years to come, the kids you all hate will speak about John Cena the way you speak about The Rock and Steve Austin.

I get it, you don't like John's work. You think he's hokey, he lacks in-ring technical skills. But so did Hogan, Warrior, Andre, and they're rightly regarded as legends nowadays.
All I'm saying is give him a chance, don't be so quick to judge!
As I've stated, many people have had that mass market appeal since Hogan, and all of them were BIGGER than Cena. Attitude was the most profitable period in wrestling history for actual WRESTLING. Today, the only way WWE can stay afloat is through licensing, merchandise sales, and whoring their name out to anyone who will bite-basically everything NOT wrestling.

Austin's run, as you put it, was controversial, which is part of why it was successful. It was so off beat and different, and the shock factor was a major selling point. The other fact is that it was so incredibly well done.

Cena is praised for so much-his charity work, being a role model...basically, shit that has nothing to do with wrestling. He visits dying kids-too bad he can't pull off a convincing STF worth a fuck. Great role model-he sells in ring like total shit, but great role model. What's his job? Humanitarian or pro wrestler? WRESTLER. And that's where he is so lacking.

Hey guess what-Dolph Ziggler does make a wish too!



Is it ever mentioned? Is it ever highlighted? Nope. Because they have to corner that market for their golden boy. Its a stacked deck going in. They never mention shit about anyone else and give all the glory to Cena. That is just flat out wrong. You want to talk about hogging the glory? You want to talk about being 'loved'? Anyone else would be loved for their contributions as well if the WWE didn't market such bullshit propaganda that places little Ms. Perfect in everyone's sights whether they want it or not.

Yes, Hogan, Warrior and Andre were shit in ring. However, they contributed so much to this industry that laid the foundations and built it up that that's why they're remembered. Cena hasn't accomplished or contributed one IOTA what they have, so to try and compare them is laughable.

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It's not that Cena needs a big win, it's just that as the face of the company he needs a definitve win against a major face of the 'old days'.
Remember when Rock beat Hogan? Or when Diesel beat Backlund? Same principle. The newer generation has to be seen to be better and stronger than the old - simple booking.

By all rights, Rock should lose - and lose DEFINITIVELY - to Punk at the Rumble. He won't. But if they had any sense, he would.

No one in WWE gains anything from having a Hollywood part-timer win the biggest belt in the company, only to drop it a few months later and go back to La-La-Land. Rock's had his day and his entire presence in the company should be to put over new talent, not win titles and certainly not to beat the biggest name in company at the biggest show of the year.

Logically, it makes no sense.
The WWE gains nothing...except a ton of extra PPV buys, old fans returning for nostalgia, a ton more money...yeah, they gain nothing alright.

As I've already said, Cena doesn't need a definitive win against a major face of old. He's got enough on his resume for 5 other main eventers to split-the man needs to start giving back before he's given more.

When Diesel beat Backlund? That passed NO torch-Backlund was retired for years at that point and came back out of the blue for one run. He lost only to start Diesel's run convincingly. Backlund had long since given up 'the torch', so there was nothing to pass. Why do I have to explain such a simple thing to you? Same with Hogan and Rock-Rock and Austin shared the torch, Hogan was passing nothing. It was a nostalgia match between two legends, that was all.

Cena does not need to beat Rock definitively. It would do absolutely nothing for the man. It would be like another WHC reign. He's accomplished so much already that he needs no more. The loss to Rock meant absolutely nothing, either. Neither will a win.



Please, for the sake of those around you, get a clue. You're markdom is so deluded its pathetic and rather amusing.
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I'm going to preface this by saying that the poster FranticJane is quite possibly the biggest Cena mark and by relation the biggest idiot on these forums. Why people want to comment on shit they have zero understanding of is beyond me, but its up to some of us posters to put them into their places.

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No. No he fucking doesn't. If there is someone in this company who absolutely, positively does NOT need the rub from going over one of the biggest stars of all time, its John Cena.

Why, you may ask? Passing the torch to someone usually is done when the person getting it passed to is on the rise and will be a major player in the next era. Its symbolic. Once Austin retired, Brock left, Rock went on to pursue other fields, etc, the WWE didn't pass Cena the torch-they fucking GAVE it to him. So why on earth would they need a match to pass Cena a torch that he already has? Its a waste of time.

He needs his win back for a definitive moment? Are you fucking high? This man has had so many fucking definitive moments in the past 7 years that he's got MORE than his fair share. 10 WWE Title Wins, I don't even know how many WHC wins, WM main event after WM main event, Royal Rumble, wins his first MiTB...HE DOESN'T NEED ANYMORE. You are insane if you think he does.

This past year has been shitty for him? Well boo fucking hoo. If a bad year for him is main eventing every single show except for 2, being the face of cancer month, getting god knows how many new apparel deals and designs, having title match after title match that he did NOT deserve, wins MiTB, then I'd shudder to think what you consider a good year is.

And I scoff at someone like you who chastises Rock for his childish insults, but will defend to your grave the asshole who is using childish insults and demeanors to DESTROY pro wrestling today. Nice double standard.

Its so laughable that you try in vain to defend someone in this respect and are so clearly wrong.




Cena is NOT the biggest name since Hulk Hogan, and you need professional help if you think he is. Hogan, Rock and Austin-that's the top 3 most popular wrestling names of all time, followed by Flair and Sammartino. Cena is somewhere after that. Just because Cena is pushed as a big deal does NOT mean that he's as big as those other names.

Here's an example. I'm in college. I talk to some people who are younger than me and older than me. Every single one of them has heard of Steve Austin, Rock and Hulk Hogan. NONE have heard of John Cena. Zero. These people range from 18 to mid 30s. So no, he's not the biggest name since Hogan, and saying such a thing is idiotic that completely discredits the legitimate contributions and accomplishments of some of the greatest in the industry just so you can blindly push your Cena dick sucking full of WRONG facts.

And isn't it funny, yet again you complain that Rock does something that you don't agree with, but conveniently overlook it when Cena does it. "Cena you've lost every single big match this year!" So what happens? Let's give him a shot at Dolph's briefcase. Did he deserve it based on his previous performances? God no, he got it because he's John Cena. "Cena, I've beaten you every single time we've faced-you don't deserve another shot at my WWE title!" What happens? Cena gets 2 more shots, at NoC and Survivor Series. Why? Because he earned them? Of course not, its because he's John Cena. Hmm...Cena is getting opportunities based not on his current success, but his name and past successes...SOUNDS LIKE ROCK. You know, the guy you have no problem tearing into.

How dare you try and twist things around to suit your own argument. You're a petty douche and its so incredibly obvious.

And don't even try talking about hogging glory. Rey Mysterio losing his belt 90 minutes after he won it because Cena "deserved" a shot is the epitome of glory hogging.



As I've stated, many people have had that mass market appeal since Hogan, and all of them were BIGGER than Cena. Attitude was the most profitable period in wrestling history for actual WRESTLING. Today, the only way WWE can stay afloat is through licensing, merchandise sales, and whoring their name out to anyone who will bite-basically everything NOT wrestling.

Austin's run, as you put it, was controversial, which is part of why it was successful. It was so off beat and different, and the shock factor was a major selling point. The other fact is that it was so incredibly well done.

Cena is praised for so much-his charity work, being a role model...basically, shit that has nothing to do with wrestling. He visits dying kids-too bad he can't pull off a convincing STF worth a fuck. Great role model-he sells in ring like total shit, but great role model. What's his job? Humanitarian or pro wrestler? WRESTLER. And that's where he is so lacking.

Hey guess what-Dolph Ziggler does make a wish too!



Is it ever mentioned? Is it ever highlighted? Nope. Because they have to corner that market for their golden boy. Its a stacked deck going in. They never mention shit about anyone else and give all the glory to Cena. That is just flat out wrong. You want to talk about hogging the glory? You want to talk about being 'loved'? Anyone else would be loved for their contributions as well if the WWE didn't market such bullshit propaganda that places little Ms. Perfect in everyone's sights whether they want it or not.

Yes, Hogan, Warrior and Andre were shit in ring. However, they contributed so much to this industry that laid the foundations and built it up that that's why they're remembered. Cena hasn't accomplished or contributed one IOTA what they have, so to try and compare them is laughable.



The WWE gains nothing...except a ton of extra PPV buys, old fans returning for nostalgia, a ton more money...yeah, they gain nothing alright.

As I've already said, Cena doesn't need a definitive win against a major face of old. He's got enough on his resume for 5 other main eventers to split-the man needs to start giving back before he's given more.

When Diesel beat Backlund? That passed NO torch-Backlund was retired for years at that point and came back out of the blue for one run. He lost only to start Diesel's run convincingly. Backlund had long since given up 'the torch', so there was nothing to pass. Why do I have to explain such a simple thing to you? Same with Hogan and Rock-Rock and Austin shared the torch, Hogan was passing nothing. It was a nostalgia match between two legends, that was all.

Cena does not need to beat Rock definitively. It would do absolutely nothing for the man. It would be like another WHC reign. He's accomplished so much already that he needs no more. The loss to Rock meant absolutely nothing, either. Neither will a win.



Please, for the sake of those around you, get a clue. You're markdom is so deluded its pathetic and rather amusing.


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