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tready93 · 01-24-2013, 01:30 AM

Dude, it will never EEEEEEEVER be safe to say that on these forums...

**Tyrion Lannister** · 01-24-2013, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sesshomaru

You say that as if it's a bad thing. Being booked with Taker is better then anything except being booked with Lesner or Rocky.

Problem is, I don't think Punk will get Taker. Probably a random midcard match with Ryback.

Yes, EXCEPT Rock (not Lesnar because that's still midcard unless Rock isn't there). Except isn't good enough for CM Punk, he needs to be in the main event, not the midcard, not 2'nd from the top, not 3'rd from the top, LAST. So it IS a bad thing. Punk vs Undertaker is the reason I'm not ordering Mania.

And no, Punk will get Undertaker because that's been the plan for months and supposedly Undertaker handpicked Punk himself as his opponent. What a treat. Could've just pissed in his face and sent the same message.

Taker2theMoon · 01-24-2013, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Aficionado

CM Punk is #1. The #1 Heel that is. In a lot of ways, Punk is the Triple H of his era. While very successful, Triple H was never really the #1 guy throughout his career because of Rock and Austin. He did, however serve as the perfect #1 antagonist. As great as he was as a face, he was just made to be a heel. Just like Punk is today. The most important job as a heel is to make the face look as good as possible when necessary. I'd say both have a knack for just that.

I suppose, in comparison to a lot of the current talent, Punk could be considered the #1 heel...but that's just by comparison. A large percentage of the time Punk has to shoot just to get boos and even then it's a 2:5 ratio of boos to cheers. He's a great speaker, but I can picture him doing what Cena tried to do at his "address" and people cheering their hearts out despite every fiber of their personal being being bashed at. At one point and time, people legitimately hated HHH because of the things he did. Punk is and forever will be an anti-hero for the fans and not a villain to them. As far as what Punk sets out to accomplish with his character, he fails at it.

On topic with the thread, though, no he is not the #1 guy either. As others have said even though he isn't necessarily second fiddle, Cena still overshadows him. I prefer Punk to Cena a million times over, but that doesn't make him THAT guy in the broader scheme of things.

KeepinItReal · 01-24-2013, 01:45 AM

I don't think its such a tragedy that Punk isn't the #1 guy. Wrestling isn't real, dream matches are constantly kept from happening for illogical reasons, and there's space for multiple major stars. Rock/Austin/Undertaker were at the same time, so were Triple H/Angle/Lesnar/Undertaker, then Triple H/Cena/Batista/Orton/Undertaker/Angle. The tragedy of Punk/Cena is that its JUST two, there should be more all-time greats competing on the current roster, Orton and Sheamus need to step it up and Ziggler and Bryan should be pushed into that discussion soon as well.

So long as Cena doesn't take time away from Punk, then its all good, Cena means more eyeballs so more eyeballs on Punk, and the same goes for the other way around. Its a soap opera, not a sport.

And no, Cena doesn't take time away from Punk. He closes shows, boo hoo, that barely affects ppl's perception. Punk has had tons and tons of minutes every night for over a year and a half now. Punk's position is fine. We need MORE icons like Cena and Punk taking up time. Rock, Punk, and Angle are my all-time favorites; they were never the biggest star, and they always had time to tell their great stories. Remember when Rock took over during Austin's injury? Rock needed a 4-way to main event Mania, and then at Backlash they needed Austin to get involved, and then it turned into the Undertaker show. But there was no lack of airtime for the Rock.

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Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister

Yes, EXCEPT Rock (not Lesnar because that's still midcard unless Rock isn't there). Except isn't good enough for CM Punk, he needs to be in the main event, not the midcard, not 2'nd from the top, not 3'rd from the top, LAST. So it IS a bad thing. Punk vs Undertaker is the reason I'm not ordering Mania.

And no, Punk will get Undertaker because that's been the plan for months and supposedly Undertaker handpicked Punk himself as his opponent. What a treat. Could've just pissed in his face and sent the same message.

Since this may be Undertaker's final match, I wouldn't be surprised if Punk beats Undertaker. The Shield will get involved, making it a historically significant screwjob. The two problems with Taker losing were 1. No more major draw at Mania, but Undertaker may be done soon anyway, and 2. fans will hate the guy who beats Taker. Well guess what, CM Punk is desperate for heat. No problem there!

Taker should lose eventually, and if this is his last match, and its against the #2 in the company who could use it for storyline purposes (Shield, screwjob, its what Punk's all about), it just makes sense. The only reason not to do it is if they want to build towards Cena/Taker next yr, but neither wrestler winning would make that worthwhile. Cena winning would get him heat, which WWE desperately avoids, and Cena losing means he loses two memorable Mania matches to major icons. If Cena/Taker happens, it wouldn't happen at Mania at all, they'd use it to sell SummerSlam or another major show to avoid these problems.

**THANOS** · 01-24-2013, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KeepinItReal

Since this may be Undertaker's final match, I wouldn't be surprised if Punk beats Undertaker. The Shield will get involved, making it a historically significant screwjob. The two problems with Taker losing were 1. No more major draw at Mania, but Undertaker may be done soon anyway, and 2. fans will hate the guy who beats Taker. Well guess what, CM Punk is desperate for heat. No problem there!

Taker should lose eventually, and if this is his last match, and its against the #2 in the company who could use it for storyline purposes (Shield, screwjob, its what Punk's all about), it just makes sense. The only reason not to do it is if they want to build towards Cena/Taker next yr, but neither wrestler winning would make that worthwhile. Cena winning would get him heat, which WWE desperately avoids, and Cena losing means he loses two memorable Mania matches to major icons. If Cena/Taker happens, it wouldn't happen at Mania at all, they'd use it to sell SummerSlam or another major show to avoid these problems.

If Punk goes over Taker then I'm fine with the match happening, but it really REALLY needs to mainevent the ppv, IF Punk is winning, to drive drive that point home to the audience!

**Tyrion Lannister** · 01-24-2013, 02:04 AM

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Since this may be Undertaker's final match, I wouldn't be surprised if Punk beats Undertaker. The Shield will get involved, making it a historically significant screwjob. The two problems with Taker losing were 1. No more major draw at Mania, but Undertaker may be done soon anyway, and 2. fans will hate the guy who beats Taker. Well guess what, CM Punk is desperate for heat. No problem there!

There's NO. FUCKING. WAY. This is Undertaker's last match. None. There's more chance of the sky turning yellow than this being Undertaker's last match. WWE WILL NOT pass on Undertaker vs Cena at WrestleMania, I guarantee you it's locked in and done. They're not going to blow that big buyrate away to give Punk the Streak when he's retiring in 2015 anyway. And even if the Streak ended, they'd NEVER let Punk do it.

And even if Punk does the Streak, it's STILL wrong, because you BLEW THE STREAK IN THE MIDCARD while Cena still main events with Rock. Punk needs a main event.

Figure4Leglock · 01-24-2013, 02:06 AM

Punk should be number 1, but dat Johnny boy begs to disagree

Rayfu · 01-24-2013, 02:16 AM

Ever think and stoped and thinked maybe your wrong about this whole "midcard" thing?

I mean no one else I've seen has ever cared Taker wm match midcard, its a main event

**Tyrion Lannister** · 01-24-2013, 02:22 AM

No, I haven't, because there's one main event per show and I'm right. There aren't 4 main events a show like WWE tells you, if Taker's not on last, he's midcarding.

Punk by his OWN admission has said the one thing he still needs to do is main event WrestleMania, and he said this after being in a match WWE promoted AS A WRESTLEMANIA MAIN EVENT. Because he's smart enough to realize that when it comes to card placement, last is first and the other spots don't matter.

Rayfu · 01-24-2013, 02:31 AM

Or maybe like I was saying TAKERS match AND the WWE\what ever m,ain event ARE the main event, Punk has not been in either

I never said anything about any others, my only point was Taker vs ____ is not midcard, his other match? sure maybe, but taker? hell no.

What would you say if he fought taker and he stoped saying that? would you still say he knows what he is talking about?

Or maybe he just disagrees that the match he had was a main event, and in no way says anything about if he thinks only the last match matters

Like i said taker is a SPECIAL match, just like at the rumble, the rumble comes on last, that dont mean the wwe title is not the main event either

Taker in many ways is BETTER then main eventing WM, becauseof the streak, to be in that match, is to fight one of the greatist of all time for the biggest streak ever

Thats no mif card no matter how many times you say it