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Re: Is Punk's run as champ more impressive than Bruno's?

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I don't know... I wasn't around for Bruno's.

And what does, "impressive" even mean when you're talking about a scripted competition. How can that really be impressive?
A few ways

1. The backstage enviroment is so poisonous that someone holding the main title for such a long period of time means that they have a lot of good-will behind them, that they're professional and seen as being a good influence on the company.

2. Yes, wrestling is staged. But the strain it puts on ones body is very real. To be a champion for this long, doing house shows, getting progressively beat up and yet still being a company guy and representing the WWE brand is quite admirable.

3. Punks reign has restored, to some degree, the legitimacy of the belt. Consider the history of that title, even if it is staged, the ammount of people who've held the belt and led the company means something to the fans. Punks reign protects the integrity of that belt and stops fans from seeing it as a Russo-esque 'prop' that can be handed to guys like Swagger or Ziggler for two-week title runs.

So it is an impressive feat.
I don't like Punk at all and I can still acknowledge that it's a damn impressive feat to pull off.
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Re: Is Punk's run as champ more impressive than Bruno's?

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3. Punks reign has restored, to some degree, the legitimacy of the belt. Consider the history of that title, even if it is staged, the ammount of people who've held the belt and led the company means something to the fans. Punks reign protects the integrity of that belt and stops fans from seeing it as a Russo-esque 'prop' that can be handed to guys like Swagger or Ziggler for two-week title runs.
Punk has been such a poor draw that because he hasn't been in the main event since NOC 2011 he has basically turned the wwe championship into a prop. Nobody outside the IWC believe that Punk is the best, stronger wrestlers (in keyfab). Nobody outside the IWC sees Punk as the champion of the WWE. Punk is worse than Vince Russo for the idea of a championship belt.

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Re: Is Punk's run as champ more impressive than Bruno's?

Not even close. When we think championship belt we think headlining the show. For the majority of Punk's reign he was just filling time.

Really that's all his 400 day reign comes down to. Filling time in between Rock Cena.

A victory over Jericho and a non title loss to Undertaker at WWE's biggest event really doesn't say greatest title run of all time does it?
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Re: Is Punk's run as champ more impressive than Bruno's?

No, not even close. As someone already mentioned, Bruno worked more than the most demanding WWE schedule today in an era where kayfabe was alive and the title meant everything to the business. Punk was a mid card champion more than half of his run with the value of the title at an all-time low when a guy like Johnny Ace main evented over it, how is that "impressive" in any way? Along with that, the reason he held the title for that long is because they booked Rock's title match at Royal Rumble in July. If Rock is not locking him for January, he's losing the title months ago to Ryback or Cena. Punk also was never the top drawing act while Bruno broke every domestic record of his era and still is today one of the biggest of all time even if you take into consideration the change of the system in the industry.
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Re: Is Punk's run as champ more impressive than Bruno's?

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what's next? Punk made wrestling like Hogan & Austin?
Are you implying he didn't? Hater
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Re: Is Punk's run as champ more impressive than Bruno's?

Punk headlined Staples center two days ago. The arena was two thirds full. Roughly 14 000 out 21 000.

When Dave Meltzer talks about Backlund, Bruno he talks about the few times they failed to sell out arenas. These guys always sold out house shows at Madison square garden.

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Re: Is Punk's run as champ more impressive than Bruno's?

I'm going to go one further and state that Dave Meltzer has proclaimed Bruno Sammartino the biggest draw in the history of the company. Yeah, over Hulk Hogan, Andre The Giant, The Rock, and Steve Austin.

The listing of top draws according to Dave Meltzer
In 2008, Dave Meltzer compiled a lost of the top 54 biggest draws in WWE history based on gates/ratings the wrestlers drew as main eventers :

1. BRUNO SAMMARTINO

2. HULK HOGAN

3. BOB BACKLUND

4. ARGENTINA ROCCA

5. HHH

6. UNDERTAKER

7. STEVE AUSTIN (Undertaker and HHH have passed him in recent years since he finished his career in 2003. Had he not retired at the age of 38 due to injuries, as well as missed what probably would have been his biggest drawing year in 1999 with neck surgery, he would have been No. 2 on this list by now. Nobody ever in company history was a bigger drawing card or merchandise seller then he was at his peak.)

8. THE ROCK

9. PEDRO MORALES

10. SHAWN MICHAELS

11. SUPERSTAR BILLY GRAHAM

12. MIGUEL PEREZ

13. BRET HART

14. BUDDY ROGERS

15. RANDY SAVAGE

16. JOHN CENA

17. KURT ANGLE

18. MICK FOLEY aka CACTUS JACK, DUDE LOVE, MANKIND

19. ANDRE THE GIANT

20. DR. JERRY GRAHAM

(TIE) JOHNNY VALENTINE

22. RODDY PIPER

23. IVAN KOLOFF

24. ULTIMATE WARRIOR

(TIE) RANDY ORTON

(TIE) BATISTA

27. GREG VALENTINE

(TIE) YOKOZUNA

(TIE) SGT. SLAUGHTER

30. GEORGE STEELE

(TIE) CHRIS JERICHO

(TIE) KANE

(TIE) KEVIN NASH aka DIESEL

34. RIC FLAIR

(TIE) BIG SHOW aka PAUL WRIGHT

(TIE) STAN HANSEN

(TIE) GORILLA MONSOON

(TIE) KEN PATERA

39. FRED BLASSIE

(TIE) BOB ORTON SR. aka ROCKY FITZPATRICK

(TIE) BROCK LESNAR

42. EDDIE GRAHAM

(TIE) KILLER KOWALSKI

(TIE) PROFESSOR TORU TANAKA

(TIE) DON MURACO

(TIE) DAVEY BOY SMITH aka BRITISH BULLDOG

(TIE) EDGE

(TIE) CHRIS BENOIT

49. LARRY ZBYSZKO

(TIE) PAUL ORNDORFF

(TIE) IRON SHEIK aka GREAT HOSSEIN ARAB aka COL. MUSTAFA

(TIE) NIKOLAI VOLKOFF aka BEPO MONGOL

(TIE) WALDO VON ERICH

(TIE) BOOKER T aka KING BOOKER

I will say it has been good the title has not been passed around like a hot potato and some stability has come back to the title. However, I agree with those who say that CM Punk only has the title this long because Rock needed a good heel foil to face. The match is a bigger draw with CM Punk as a heel who seemingly seems hard to beat. It is also true that Punk wasn't even the focus of the company for most of his reign until his feud with Cena picked back up at NOC.

I also agree that if it wasn't for The Rock CM Punk would have lost his title already to Cena or Ryback. How this reign can be comparable to Bruno Sammartino in any real way in how Bruno's championship run was handled is quite unfair actually. Bruno was the guy who the fans came to see and as already posted CM Punk was being a heel when he was saying Bruno hardly wrestled as champion. Hell, even Hulk Hogan on some Saturdays back in the 80's use to defend the title twice the same day.

It doesn't matter about the physicality of the matches if the guys now actually have a better road schedule than guys like Flair in the NWA and Hogan in the 80's. Don't let revisionist history change the truth. Bruno's reign is also still the blueprint for John Cena's original reign of domination and also Hogan's reign in the 80's. The truth of the matter is CM Punk's reign in comparison is more like comparing the old school IC title reign of someone like Savage to Bruno's.

As for his legacy not being promoted as others like HBK and Flair it is obvious why the company won't do it since he has been a crusade since he left in the late 80's to expose the wrongs of the company. Why would the company try to promote him at all. I also think this will change anyways with the way HHH respects Bruno's accomplishment and impact on the company. The fact that CM Punk has been bringing up his name, while it has been reported that Bruno has been contacted about joining the HOF says more about Bruno than actually CM Punk.
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Re: Is Punk's run as champ more impressive than Bruno's?

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No, not even close. As someone already mentioned, Bruno worked more than the most demanding WWE schedule today in an era where kayfabe was alive and the title meant everything to the business. Punk was a mid card champion more than half of his run with the value of the title at an all-time low when a guy like Johnny Ace main evented over it, how is that "impressive" in any way? Along with that, the reason he held the title for that long is because they booked Rock's title match at Royal Rumble in July. If Rock is not locking him for January, he's losing the title months ago to Ryback or Cena. Punk also was never the top drawing act while Bruno broke every domestic record of his era and still is today one of the biggest of all time even if you take into consideration the change of the system in the industry.
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Re: Is Punk's run as champ more impressive than Bruno's?

Considering the only thing that's been the least bit impressive and memorable about Punk's reign has been the length, and Bruno's was about 5 times longer, no. Plus, Bruno had legendary competition-Gene Kiniski, Killer Kowalski, The Sheik, Freddie Blassie, Curtis Iaukea, George The Animal Steele, Ivan Koloff, Stan Stasiak, Superstar Billy Graham, Bruiser Brody, Nikolai Volkoff, Professor Toru Tanaka, Gorilla Monsoon, Stan Hansen...those are some of the biggest names in wrestling history.

Who has Punk faced? Daniel Bryan...Ryback...Ziggler...none of those guys can hold a candle to these legends.



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Re: Is Punk's run as champ more impressive than Bruno's?

I know people talked about sell out shows and title lengths and stuff like that but...

I BARELY know who Bruno Sammartino is. Sammartino initially retired in 1981, 6 years before I was even born. Bruno Sammartino had his last "return from retirement" match when I was in the womb.

Nobody under 40 knows who the fuck Bruno Sammartino is. Period.

There is pre-Hogan and post-Hogan. Post-Hogan matters. Pre-Hogan is a trivia question.
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