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Old 01-24-2013, 05:40 PM   #181 (permalink)
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I simply must be honest: only stupid people compare Dolph Ziggler to Billy Gunn. If Gunn had 10% of Ziggler's talent, he'd still be in WWE today.

I know this because Gunn is still in phenomenal shape. There was only one problem with Gunn: when separated from Road Dogg.....NO ONE GAVE A GODDAMN SHIT.
I never liked gunn that much but Ziggler IS Gunn 2.0 Difference is they diden't shove gunn down your throat like they do with Ziggler and NO ONE GIVES A GODDAMN SHIT about ziggler cept for the IWC who has a massive hardon for the guy.Ziggler is not a draw.

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Ok, what characters are better? Punk, Cena, Orton, Ryback, Sandow, Sheamus, Del Rio, Miz, Ambrose? Who? I think your standards are way too high to say he doesn't have a main event character. Hell, I personally think he's only behind Punk and Cena, but that's just my opinion. But to say he's not even a main eventer? Who is a main eventer by your standards?
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How about all of the above except miz and sandow even though i like sandow he is a midcarder. You might like Ziggler but to me the guy is garbage and im not in the minority on this. A main eventer is someone who can be entertaining,zig is not that guy
So you think Ryback, Randy Orton, Sheamus, CM Punk, John Cena, Alberto Del Rio, and Dean Ambrose are all better than Ziggler? So he's in the top ten at least? Oh, and I'm a big fan of Sheamus, Del Rio, Sandow, and Ambrose, and Ziggler is absolutely ahead of each of them. And he's definitely ahead of Ryback. Ambrose is the messiah, but the day of judgment isn't here yet.

I think you need to suck up your hatred of Ziggler just like I do my hatred of Cena and Orton. They're clearly great at what they do, they get enormous pops,. You don't like Ziggler, fine. But he's gonna be a big star one day, that's why he's been feuding with Cena, and that's why he's virtually guaranteed a world title run (thx to a victory over John Cena in a PPV main event).

Oh, and again, I've seen Billy Gunn wrestle. I've seen him talk. He sucked compared to Dolph Ziggler. And he copied another wrestler's moveset? Is that actually supposed to be a critique? I don't think copying gimmicks is even horrible, but copying movesets? What do you think wrestlers do, invent their moves? Seriously. You have some weird hatred of Ziggler, and you deal with it by claiming the shit under your shoe is better than one of the best actors and performers today. I guess Ziggler is just that good of a heel! I thought John Morrison was horrible, and now that he's gone I realize how good he was.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:00 PM   #183 (permalink)
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So you think Ryback, Randy Orton, Sheamus, CM Punk, John Cena, Alberto Del Rio, and Dean Ambrose are all better than Ziggler? So he's in the top ten at least? Oh, and I'm a big fan of Sheamus, Del Rio, Sandow, and Ambrose, and Ziggler is absolutely ahead of each of them. And he's definitely ahead of Ryback. Ambrose is the messiah, but the day of judgment isn't here yet.

I think you need to suck up your hatred of Ziggler just like I do my hatred of Cena and Orton. They're clearly great at what they do, they get enormous pops,. You don't like Ziggler, fine. But he's gonna be a big star one day, that's why he's been feuding with Cena, and that's why he's virtually guaranteed a world title run (thx to a victory over John Cena in a PPV main event).

Oh, and again, I've seen Billy Gunn wrestle. I've seen him talk. He sucked compared to Dolph Ziggler. And he copied another wrestler's moveset? Is that actually supposed to be a critique? I don't think copying gimmicks is even horrible, but copying movesets? What do you think wrestlers do, invent their moves? Seriously. You have some weird hatred of Ziggler, and you deal with it by claiming the shit under your shoe is better than one of the best actors and performers today. I guess Ziggler is just that good of a heel! I thought John Morrison was horrible, and now that he's gone I realize how good he was.
I don't hate ziggler i just think he is boring and belongs in the midcard. and denying he is not a copy of billy gunn when we all know it just shows you are a Ziggler nuthugger and a huge mark. From the moveset to the ass shakeing and poses its all there he stole the whole gimmick no denying it

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I don't hate ziggler i just think he is boring and belongs in the midcard. and denying he is not a copy of billy gunn when we all know it just shows you are a Ziggler nuthugger and a huge mark. From the moveset to the ass shakeing and poses its all there he stole the whole gimmick no denying it
There's no shame in stealing a moveset! No one invents their moveset! Brock Lesnar invented the F-5, that's the only example of a modern wrestler inventing a move that I can think of. Gunn didn't invent the fameasser, and it's not going to be retired any more than the neckbreaker when Randy Orton leaves.

And no, not everyone thinks he copied Billy Gunn. I think he's much, much better than Billy Gunn, in the ring and on the mic. And that's not the whole gimmick. Billy Gunn loving asses was his gimmick, and if its not a gimmick then he didn't have one. Ziggler is the show-off who promises to 'steal the show' and delivers by having the most exciting match each night. That's not just a gimmick, its one of the best gimmicks there is. The fameasser and shaking your ass is not a gimmick. Billy Gunn's 'gimmick' was so bad, so limited, that they turned him into a gay stereotype! Ziggler, on the other hand, is the next world champion, and just beat the top face in the main event of a PPV. That's not just a difference in accomplishment, that's a world of difference. Do you mean to tell me that Vince McMahon or anyone else was that crazy to not see the star power in Gunn, or that crazy to think Ziggler was a star?

The difference between the AE and today is Rock and Austin. That's it. Billy Gunn wasn't as special as you remember him to be, he was the quietest of a quartet, his ENTIRE gimmick was shaking his ass, and he just didn't entertain like Ziggler did.

Even if Ziggler is shit, the fact that you constantly compare him to Billy Gunn because of his look, ass shaking, and finisher shows how superficial your whole view on this is. If he can't talk, then he's as bad on the mic as a million other guys. If he can't perform well in the ring, then he's as bad in the ring as a million other guys. The fact that when you see him you just think "Billy Gunn" shows that you're not even judging him by a rational standard. Is Damien Sandow just Bradshaw 2.0? And he did not steal Gunn's moveset, he recycled a finisher like everyone else on the planet does. Ziggler is flashy high-flyer with pretty decent technical skills, with an actual wrestling background, like many other great technical wrestlers. Billy Gunn was Billy Gunn.
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There's no shame in stealing a moveset! No one invents their moveset! Brock Lesnar invented the F-5, that's the only example of a modern wrestler inventing a move that I can think of. Gunn didn't invent the fameasser, and it's not going to be retired any more than the neckbreaker when Randy Orton leaves.

And no, not everyone thinks he copied Billy Gunn. I think he's much, much better than Billy Gunn, in the ring and on the mic. And that's not the whole gimmick. Billy Gunn loving asses was his gimmick, and if its not a gimmick then he didn't have one. Ziggler is the show-off who promises to 'steal the show' and delivers by having the most exciting match each night. That's not just a gimmick, its one of the best gimmicks there is. The fameasser and shaking your ass is not a gimmick. Billy Gunn's 'gimmick' was so bad, so limited, that they turned him into a gay stereotype! Ziggler, on the other hand, is the next world champion, and just beat the top face in the main event of a PPV. That's not just a difference in accomplishment, that's a world of difference. Do you mean to tell me that Vince McMahon or anyone else was that crazy to not see the star power in Gunn, or that crazy to think Ziggler was a star?

The difference between the AE and today is Rock and Austin. That's it. Billy Gunn wasn't as special as you remember him to be, he was the quietest of a quartet, his ENTIRE gimmick was shaking his ass, and he just didn't entertain like Ziggler did.

Even if Ziggler is shit, the fact that you constantly compare him to Billy Gunn because of his look, ass shaking, and finisher shows how superficial your whole view on this is. If he can't talk, then he's as bad on the mic as a million other guys. If he can't perform well in the ring, then he's as bad in the ring as a million other guys. The fact that when you see him you just think "Billy Gunn" shows that you're not even judging him by a rational standard. Is Damien Sandow just Bradshaw 2.0? And he did not steal Gunn's moveset, he recycled a finisher like everyone else on the planet does. Ziggler is flashy high-flyer with pretty decent technical skills, with an actual wrestling background, like many other great technical wrestlers. Billy Gunn was Billy Gunn.
In before TLDR, he IS a Billy gunn rip of but you just can't get through to ziggler nuthuggers. 1 question do you swallow when Ziggler finishes?

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In before TLDR, he IS a Billy gunn rip of but you just can't get through to ziggler nuthuggers. 1 question do you swallow when Ziggler finishes?
You have no idea what a moveseet or a gimmick is, and you resort to homophobic slurs because you can't make an intelligent point. Shaking your ass and never talking isn't a gimmick, and the fameasser isn't a moveset. His "gimmick" was so limited and ridiculous that they literally turned him into a gay stereotype, and then you call supporters of a much more talented wrestler "nuthuggers." I know its hard to describe lack of talent in wrestling, but comparing him to Billy Gunn is just plain stupid. If he had olive skin and dark hair, or just a different face, you wouldn't be comparing him to Gunn at all.
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You have no idea what a moveseet or a gimmick is, and you resort to homophobic slurs because you can't make an intelligent point. Shaking your ass and never talking isn't a gimmick, and the fameasser isn't a moveset. His "gimmick" was so limited and ridiculous that they literally turned him into a gay stereotype, and then you call supporters of a much more talented wrestler "nuthuggers." I know its hard to describe lack of talent in wrestling, but comparing him to Billy Gunn is just plain stupid. If he had olive skin and dark hair, or just a different face, you wouldn't be comparing him to Gunn at all.
If i were to play lets say as an example wwf no mercy and make Ziggles as a character who's move set would i use???? and when did i use a homophobic slur? Only 1 bringing up the word gay is you.

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If i were to play lets say as an ex-sample wwf no mercy and make Ziggles as a character who's move set would i use????
You'd copy a cruiserweight's moveset minus the hurricanrana, give him a bunch of different chokeholds, and make sure to use Billy Gunn's face and finisher. Lol I'm pretty sure Gunn's face in that game looks like its both smiling and wincing in pain at the same time, so its perfect for Ziggler, but I might be thinking of someone else.

And for the last time, "copying a moveset" isn't even an insult. Wrestlers don't invent their moves. You know whose movesets Rock, Hogan, and Cena copied? They didn't copy anyone's move sets, their moves sucked. Rock comes back against Cena and does some weird rollup attempts to look 'technical,' he's all flash and nothing else, which is largely true for Ziggler as well. Using another moveset just isn't an insult.
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You'd copy a cruiserweight's moveset minus the hurricanrana, give him a bunch of different chokeholds, and make sure to use Billy Gunn's face and finisher. Lol I'm pretty sure Gunn's face in that game looks like its both smiling and wincing in pain at the same time, so its perfect for Ziggler, but I might be thinking of someone else.

And for the last time, "copying a moveset" isn't even an insult. Wrestlers don't invent their moves. You know whose movesets Rock, Hogan, and Cena copied? They didn't copy anyone's move sets, their moves sucked. Rock comes back against Cena and does some weird rollup attempts to look 'technical,' he's all flash and nothing else, which is largely true for Ziggler as well. Using another moveset just isn't an insult.
Wow you must be new to wrestling he has the SAME move set Gunn had everyone knew it so he added the zigzag. comparing Rock Hogan and Cena with Ziggler LOL!!!!!!!!!Ok Ziggles keep sucking it you will never be a draw.And if Billy gunn was SO bad why did zigglet steal his gimmick

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Because Ziggler does it better. HBK also stole Ric Flair's style, but he also does it way better. No shame in it at all.
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