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Re: Backstage News On Why Ziggler Might Turn Babyface Soon

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Get off Zigglers nuts, he is garbage, not entertaining at all, just billy gun 2.0 but with less talent
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Re: Backstage News On Why Ziggler Might Turn Babyface Soon

They need to find a way for Ziggler to get crowd reaction without AJ or Vickie before they turn him face. This AJ stuff and feuding with Cena isn't helping lol, and yes, the guy is a great seller, but that can sometimes come back to hurt you.
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Ziggles as a baby face? You got to be kidding me. He is a Mr. Perfect wannabe so it wont work.



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I don't know if I like the idea of Ziggler as a face. I'm sure the guy can pull it off nicely because he's incredibly talented, but I think his look, personality, and even his wrestling style better suit him as a heel. How can a guy be a show off if he's a face?

Keep Dolph Ziggler a heel for now.
Arrogant anti-hero. I think that's the major difference between Attitude Era faces and current faces like Cena/Sheamus/Del Rio/Miz, they're all humble and friendly with each other. I like Sheamus and Del Rio, but that's always going to hold them back. The only anti-hero we have today is Orton, he actually has the firm belief that he's the most important human being in the room. That goes a long way towards telling the audience that he's worthy of your attention. Ziggler resolutely promises that he's the best, and that he's going to "steal the show," IE put on the best performance that night, which is actually what he says in real life. John Cena's "Isn't the WWE awesome!? Today's stars can face yesterday's stars, we have so much fun for you tonight..." has its value, but it lacks the arrogance and therefore credibility that Austin and Rock had. Saying "I believe I'm the best, and every superstar should", which Cena says, doesn't make the speaker special. Saying "I am the best, period, you suck" will convince the audience you might actually be special.

Its actually a lot like politicians running for office: they just can't complement each other, they have to shit on each other constantly. Same with anti-hero faces. I like Sheamus and Del Rio for being buddy-buddy, but they could go so much farther if they look at each other and said "fuck you, you don't belong in the same ring with me." Wrestling is supposed to be outlandish. Simple respect between competitors isn't entertaining at all. I would say the same for Cena, except Cena is soooo popular for doing it the way he's doing it that he should just keep at it, his fans might abandon him if he changed.

Austin and Rock never shook hands. They were EGOMANIACS, better than everyone else in every way. They might congratulate the night after a loss, but that was just to explain what happened at a PPV. Outside of those rare moments, arrogance is the only way to really gain respect. Hell, that's why I loved Del Rio as a heel! Bring back the cars damn it! You're important, act important!

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Ziggles as a baby face? You got to be kidding me. He is a Mr. Perfect wannabe so it wont work.
Being similar to past wrestlers is not a problem. Its been yrs since we saw Mr. Perfect. Hell, I've been watching for over a decade and NEVER saw him. Its long enough.

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Re: Backstage News On Why Ziggler Might Turn Babyface Soon

It makes sense with Mania coming up. Ziggler and AJ will be cheered like crazy regardless of what WWE tries to do. AJ will be in her home town and NYC will go crazy for Ziggler. The one thing I hate about cheering a heel at a live event is that they still wrestle like a heel even when the crowd is cheering for them which can really throw things off if they're working a long control segment.
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2011 called. They want their insults back. Including mine.
I don't care what you think. Ziggler is garbage and that's that he will never be a star and is a mid carder for life.So keep sucking him off all you want the guy is worthless. id rather watch the fucking Godfather than watch Ziggler try and get over.
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Re: Backstage News On Why Ziggler Might Turn Babyface Soon

To compare Ziggler to Billy Gunn is a joke. He's far more athletic, he's a much better actor in the ring, and he can actually cut a promo. By saying Gunn is better, you just prove religious allegiance to the Attitude Era. I beat you think Droz is better than CM Punk, too.

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To compare Ziggler to Billy Gunn is a joke. He's far more athletic, he's a much better actor in the ring, and he can actually cut a promo. By saying Gunn is better, you just prove religious allegiance to the Attitude Era. I beat you think Droz is better than CM Punk, too.
Not at all I like Punk but I stand by my statement Ziggler is a carbon copy of billy gun just toned down to PG. He is boring, the guy is garbage if he left he would not be missed. And whats wrong with the Attitude era it was better than what we have now and thats a fact jack

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Re: Backstage News On Why Ziggler Might Turn Babyface Soon

It really doesn't seem like him changing face is going to happen right now. Of course, face changes can be done in just 1 episode, with no build up, and make no sense.
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