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Keep him as a heel. There are too many top level faces. And because there aren't enough top level heels, we end up having one or more of the faces beating up on 3MB every week, and we have Miz stepping down to go after the U.S. Title.

Also, there are guys like Santino, Riley, Brodus, Bateman, Yoshi, Ryder etc. who deserve to get pushed as faces, and if Ziggler turns, the face side will be bogged down even more and those guys will never get a chance to move up, unless they turn heel, which would be a waste of their potential.
No disrespect, but all the faces you mentioned there just aren't that good. Don't know anything about Bateman though.

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Get off Zigglers nuts, he is garbage, not entertaining at all, just billy gun 2.0 but with less talent
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Get off Zigglers nuts, he is garbage, not entertaining at all, just billy gun 2.0 but with less talent
That is you're opinion, and you are entitled to it. But you ain't entitled to you're own facts.

People like Ziggler, because he is entertaining in ring.

Your opinions don't matter. I am right and everyone one not agreeing with me is a troll, or an idiot.

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That is you're opinion, and you are entitled to it. But you ain't entitled to you're own facts.

People like Ziggler, because he is entertaining in ring.
Fact is he is just a rip off of Billy gunn and is not marketable. hell they put him with aj just to get him heat

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Fact is he is just a rip off of Billy gunn and is not marketable. hell they put him with aj just to get him heat
Would Rey Mysterio be marketable if he was a heel?

Besides, watch Raw, and you do see a lot of his t shirts, so they are selling. Ziggler will get over as a true underdog face, who gives great matches, and make the kiddies believe he will lose, before winning.

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Would Rey Mysterio be marketable if he was a heel?

Besides, watch Raw, and you do see a lot of his t shirts, so they are selling. Ziggler will get over as a true underdog face, who gives great matches, and make the kiddies believe he will lose, before winning.
He will never get over with the fans he is to plain, a lower to midcarder for life. The IWC for some reason just has a massive hard on for him. The guy is what is called a channel changer, when he comes on your average fan changes the channel. Thats why they put him with AJ because she is over. you can like him all you want im not hating on you just pointing out the facts
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Re: Backstage News On Why Ziggler Might Turn Babyface Soon

I don't know if I like the idea of Ziggler as a face. I'm sure the guy can pull it off nicely because he's incredibly talented, but I think his look, personality, and even his wrestling style better suit him as a heel. How can a guy be a show off if he's a face?

Keep Dolph Ziggler a heel for now.
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How can a guy be a show off if he's a face?
The same way one can be a douche and a face(ex. Miz, Cena.etc)
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He will never get over with the fans he is to plain, a lower to midcarder for life. The IWC for some reason just has a massive hard on for him. The guy is what is called a channel changer, when he comes on your average fan changes the channel. Thats why they put him with AJ because she is over. you can like him all you want im not hating on you just pointing out the facts
They didn't put AJ with him to put over Dolph, they did it to continue putting over AJ. Vickie was far more over than AJ, adding AJ to his act was simply removing one anchor for another one. Hell, he had far more momentum right before the ladder match against Cena than after being paired with the vanity project.

The fact of the matter has always been that whatever AJ is involved in that didn't heavily involve resident enhancement talent Daniel Bryan carrying her on his back has flopped and slowly died away. Dolph has never been given the chance to develop his character on his own at a high level for any length of time in any promotion, so he can't suddenly carry this new heat leech while trying to garner momentum for himself.

I do have one question for anyone who might feel that Dwayne Johnson "owes" the business. Is it just him, or is it anyone who moved on to other things? Should Luna Vachon get heat for running a towing company instead of working on RAW? Should Maven be critiqued on his Home Shopping Network bits instead of wrestling?

Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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Re: Backstage News On Why Ziggler Might Turn Babyface Soon

Horrible idea. Not that he would necessarily make a bad face, but what heels will we be left with? And then Big Show might be leaving?

Unless by soon they mean next year, and even that might be too soon in my opinion.
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